That Aud Smell Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) I don't want to wait for #3 overall to develop, either. Recent history of 3OA's. How many were/are/would be better NHLers than ROR? 2016 Pierre-Luc Dubois C Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 2015 Dylan Strome C Erie Otters [OHL] 2014 Leon Draisaitl C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 2013 Jonathan Drouin LW Halifax (QMJHL) Tampa Bay Lightning 2012 Alex Galchenyuk C Sarnia (OHL) Montreal Canadiens 2011 Jonathan Huberdeau C/LW Saint John (QMJHL) Florida Panthers 2010 Erik Gudbranson D Kingston (OHL) Florida Panthers 2009 Matt Duchene C Brampton (OHL) Colorado Avalanche 2008 Zach Bogosian D Peterborough (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers 2007 Kyle Turris C Burnaby (BCHL) Phoenix Coyotes 2006 Jonathan Toews C North Dakota (WCHA) Chicago Blackhawks 2005 Jack Johnson D U.S. Junior National Team (Intl) Carolina Hurricanes 2004 Cam Barker D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Chicago Blackhawks 2003 Nathan Horton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Florida Panthers 2002 Jay Bouwmeester D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Florida Panthers 2001 Alexandr Svitov C Omsk Avangard (Russia) Tampa Bay Lightning 2000 Marian Gaborik LW Dukla Trencin (Slovak) Minnesota Wild 1999 Henrik Sedin C Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik (SEL) Vancouver Canucks 1998 Brad Stuart D Regina Pats (WHL) San Jose Sharks 1997 Olli Jokinen C HIFK Helsinki (FNL) Los Angeles Kings 1996 J.P. Dumont RW Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) New York Islanders 1995 Aki-Petteri Berg D TPS Jrs. (Finland) Los Angeles Kings 1994 Radek Bonk C Las Vegas Thunder (IHL) Ottawa Senators 1993 Chris Gratton C Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning 1992 Mike Rathje D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) San Jose Sharks 1991 Scott Niedermayer D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) New Jersey Devils 1990 Keith Primeau C Niagara-Falls Thunder (OHL) Detroit Red Wings 1989 Scott Thornton C Belleville Bulls (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs 1988 Curtis Leschyshyn D Saskatoon Blades (WHL) Quebuc Nordiques 1987 Glen Wesley D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) Boston Bruins 1986 Neil Brady C Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) New Jersey Devils 1985 Craig Wolanin D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) New Jersey Devils 1984 Ed Olczyk C U.S. National Team (Intl) Chicago Blackhawks 1983 Pat LaFontaine C Verdun Juniors (QMJHL) New York Islanders 1981 Bobby Carpenter C St. John's Prep [Mass H.S.] Washington Capitals 1980 Denis Savard F Montreal Juniors (QMJHL) Chicago Blackhawks Edited June 21, 2018 by That Aud Smell Quote
dudacek Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 Flyers are an interesting trade partner. They're a team that needs to take a jump. They've got a core (Giroux/Voracek/Simmonds/Couturier/Gostisbehere) that O'Reilly fits in well. And they have a deep list of young players that should interest the Sabres. Nolan Patrick (not available, I'm sure), Scott Laughton, Robert Hagg, Travis Sanheim, Morgan Frost, Oscar Lindblom, German Rubtsov, Felix Sandstrom, Carter Hart, Phillippe Myers, Sam Morin and Travis Konecny, as well as picks 14 and 19 in this year's draft. Wasn't Hextall with the Kings for the Carter and Richards trades? PS: If we deal with the Flyers, I would not be surprised to see Lehner as a throw-in. Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 I go back to what freeman said about any O’Reilly trade being a disappointment because we won’t be getting the best player back, but that not necessarily meaning it was a dumb trade. Pacioretty is a good player and would be the best goal scoring winger we’ve had since Thomas Vanek. He will help, just not as much as losing O’Reilly will hurt. What else do we get in the deal? Who else comes in from complimentary deals? How do we deal with Patch’s UFA status? Patches and three for O’Reilly and 32 is a helluva interesting deal, especially if we can sign a Riley Nash. Also, am I the only one who gets the sense Botterill is playing chicken with Bergevin? I feel like he has other offers that aren’t based around draft picks and he’s basically got Bergevin on the clock: put 3 on the table or I will move on to something else. Once you make that pick, the window is closed, you aren’t getting O’Reilly. Do you want him or not? He has signed a 1 year deal in Rochester. Quote
CallawaySabres Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 If we're trading ROR I don't want to wait for 2nd round picks to develop. Give me # 3 overall or give me nothin. I would trade for #3 and set this team up for an unbelievable lineup of youth that could dominate for many years. Get that #3 pick in the lineup for next year and off we go. Clearly O'Reilly needs to go if there are issues....sounds like he is for sure gone and it better not include any 2nd rounders. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 PS: If we deal with the Flyers, I would not be surprised to see Lehner as a throw-in. I'd be kinda mad if Botts attached something to devalue ROR. Quote
Eleven Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) Recent history of 3OA's. How many were/are/would be better NHLers than ROR? [snip] Not a high enough percentage for me, that's for sure. Edited June 21, 2018 by Eleven Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 Recent history of 3OA's. How many were/are/would be better NHLers than ROR? 2016 Pierre-Luc Dubois C Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 2015 Dylan Strome C Erie Otters [OHL] 2014 Leon Draisaitl C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 2013 Jonathan Drouin LW Halifax (QMJHL) Tampa Bay Lightning 2012 Alex Galchenyuk C Sarnia (OHL) Montreal Canadiens 2011 Jonathan Huberdeau C/LW Saint John (QMJHL) Florida Panthers 2010 Erik Gudbranson D Kingston (OHL) Florida Panthers 2009 Matt Duchene C Brampton (OHL) Colorado Avalanche 2008 Zach Bogosian D Peterborough (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers 2007 Kyle Turris C Burnaby (BCHL) Phoenix Coyotes 2006 Jonathan Toews C North Dakota (WCHA) Chicago Blackhawks 2005 Jack Johnson D U.S. Junior National Team (Intl) Carolina Hurricanes 2004 Cam Barker D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Chicago Blackhawks 2003 Nathan Horton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Florida Panthers 2002 Jay Bouwmeester D Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) Florida Panthers 2001 Alexandr Svitov C Omsk Avangard (Russia) Tampa Bay Lightning 2000 Marian Gaborik LW Dukla Trencin (Slovak) Minnesota Wild 1999 Henrik Sedin C Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik (SEL) Vancouver Canucks 1998 Brad Stuart D Regina Pats (WHL) San Jose Sharks 1997 Olli Jokinen C HIFK Helsinki (FNL) Los Angeles Kings 1996 J.P. Dumont RW Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) New York Islanders 1995 Aki-Petteri Berg D TPS Jrs. (Finland) Los Angeles Kings In the last ~20 years, I'd say that Sedin, Toews, Duchene, and maybe Draisaitl by complete virtue of playing with McDavid, fit the bill. Gaborik was better for a few seasons but ROR is lasting longer. Huberdeau may well be on his way to passing ROR. PLD could but he hasn't. So I would basically say that 4 of the last 22 3OA picks became better than ROR, which isn't a good hit rate in a draft where there are about six players that could go there. Quote
WildCard Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 In the last ~20 years, I'd say that Sedin, Toews, Duchene, and maybe Draisaitl by complete virtue of playing with McDavid, fit the bill. Gaborik was better for a few seasons but ROR is lasting longer. Huberdeau may well be on his way to passing ROR. PLD could but he hasn't. So I would basically say that 4 of the last 22 3OA picks became better than ROR, which isn't a good hit rate in a draft where there are about six players that could go there. Well and the other thing is it's not about who's picked at 3rd, it's really about who's picked at/after 3rd. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 Hoping for some juicy rumor discussion with Craig and Andrew just now. Instead hear convo about farting on someone's head.Thanks guys Quote
Eleven Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) Hoping for some juicy rumor discussion with Craig and Andrew just now. Instead hear convo about farting on someone's head. Thanks guys It's worse than The Man Show. EDIT fixed grammar. Edited June 21, 2018 by Eleven Quote
dudacek Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 I'd be kinda mad if Botts attached something to devalue ROR. :w00t: Quote
ubkev Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 It's worst than The Man Show. The Man Show was fine art! Quote
dudacek Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) In the last ~20 years, I'd say that Sedin, Toews, Duchene, and maybe Draisaitl by complete virtue of playing with McDavid, fit the bill. Gaborik was better for a few seasons but ROR is lasting longer. Huberdeau may well be on his way to passing ROR. PLD could but he hasn't. So I would basically say that 4 of the last 22 3OA picks became better than ROR, which isn't a good hit rate in a draft where there are about six players that could go there. 59, 41, 59, 55 61, 55, 60, 55 O'Reilly has outscored or equalled Duchene's production four years running. He's been a better point producer, never mind the defensive end. Edited June 21, 2018 by dudacek Quote
sabills Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 As of 11AM on 6/21/2018 I am now on the "do not trade ROR" train. I assume this will change 5 more times before tomorrow evening. Quote
shrader Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 The Man Show was fine art! 2nd best Comedy Central show of all time. But anyway, every time I see this 3OA abbreviation, I'm reminded of why I hate the internet. Quote
That Aud Smell Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 Well and the other thing is it's not about who's picked at 3rd, it's really about who's picked at/after 3rd. fair feckin point. still. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Posted June 21, 2018 Last week it was just Marty and Rivet on for the show. The talk was interesting and actually informative. Replacing Peters would not be the worse idea Quote
LTS Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 He has signed a 1 year deal in Rochester. Wrong Patches.. :) Quote
Derrico Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 The Man Show was fine art! And now women jumping on trampolines lol Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 Wrong Patches.. :) Why can't we have one nickname for a guy and then come up with something else for another guy, eh? :P Quote
dudacek Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 All the hype around O’Reilly is drowning out what are probably Botterilll’s biggest goals over the next two weeks: acquiring a goalie and a top six left winger. In my opinion that, not Montreal’s interest in O’Reilly, is what is behind the Pacioretty talk. Any thoughts on who else Botterill might be targeting? Jake Allen is someone I bet he’s kicked tires on. Jimmy Howard and Peter Mrazek may be others. Maybe Corey Schneider? Quote
sabills Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 He'll sign a Ufa goalie I think Yeah, I don't want to trade for a goalie unless its for a very small price. Like, 7th round picks. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Posted June 21, 2018 Per John Shannon Peter Chiarelli says he’s prepared to move the 10th pick for a quality defenceman. Has had “some” discussion. Admits it’s not that easy. Jake McCabe is a quality D Man.. Quote
Eleven Posted June 21, 2018 Report Posted June 21, 2018 Per John Shannon Peter Chiarelli says he’s prepared to move the 10th pick for a quality defenceman. Has had “some” discussion. Admits it’s not that easy. Jake McCabe is a quality D Man.. Are the Sabs at a point where they have a glut of reliable NHL defensemen? I'm not sure they are, and I wouldn't move McCabe for a draft pick if not. Quote
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