Trade Speculation and Rumors 2018-19

[darksabre]

Who is he, where does he get his info?

 

I hate Max Patch so I hope he's a fake.

I would definitely take a guy named Max Patch.

[Radar]

Yeah if the price is Girgs and McCabe, sign me up. If it has anything to do with ROR, click.

Exactly

[dudacek]

I go back to what freeman said about any O’Reilly trade being a disappointment because we won’t be getting the best player back, but that not necessarily meaning it was a dumb trade.

 

Pacioretty is a good player and would be the best goal scoring winger we’ve had since Thomas Vanek. He will help, just not as much as losing O’Reilly will hurt. What else do we get in the deal? Who else comes in from complimentary deals? How do we deal with Patch’s UFA status? Patches and three for O’Reilly and 32 is a helluva interesting deal, especially if we can sign a Riley Nash.

 

Also, am I the only one who gets the sense Botterill is playing chicken with Bergevin?

I feel like he has other offers that aren’t based around draft picks and he’s basically got Bergevin on the clock: put 3 on the table or I will move on to something else. Once you make that pick, the window is closed, you aren’t getting O’Reilly. Do you want him or not?

Edited June 20, 2018 by dudacek

[LGR4GM]

Marek said "might be at the top of the list"

I go back to what freeman said about any O’Reilly trade being a disappointment because we won’t be getting the best player back, but that not necessarily meaning it was a dumb trade.

 

Pacioretty is a good player and would be the best goal scoring winger we’ve had since Thomas Vanek. He will help, just not as much as losing O’Reilly will hurt. What else do we get in the deal? Who else comes in from complimentary deals? How do we deal with Patch’s UFA status? Patches and three for O’Reilly and 32 is a helluva interesting deal, especially if we can sign a Riley Nash.

 

Also, am I the only one who gets the sense Botterill is playing chicken with Bergevin?

I feel like he has other offers that aren’t based around draft picks and he’s basically got Bergevin on the clock: put 3 on the table or I will move on to something else. Once you make that pick, the window is closed, you aren’t getting O’Reilly. Do you want him or not?

If I'm giving them ROR they dont get 32 Edited June 21, 2018 by Skurk Liger

[Brawndo]

This is the exact quote

 

The actual quote from Jeff Marek: "The #Sabres are in on a lot of players, Max Pacioretty might be at the top of that list."

[dudacek]

This is the exact quote

The actual quote from Jeff Marek: "The #Sabres are in on a lot of players, Max Pacioretty might be at the top of that list."

That’s interesting. I can see us being all over Pacioretty, just not as the main ingredient for O’Reilly.

[SwampD]

Hammy is not an ROR fan.

Thanks he’s a calculated fake and overrated on the ice.

Hammy's a creepy douche who needs to go away.

[nfreeman]

This is my issue with trading for 3rd this year. There are 6 guys (I added Boqvist to your list) who I think could all be the best of the bunch, but I don't feel good enough about any one of them individually to be cool trading O'Reilly for the pick. But I also recognize #3 is probably about O'Reilly's trade value (we can quibble over higher or lower, but it's close either way). Montreal is just a really bad trade partner for us.

 

Well yea, Montreal loves handing out retirement contracts. I'd want to sign there too for my final deal!

 

I'll say it again:  this board is well overrating ROR's market value.  The Sabres aren't going to get close to #3 overall for him.

[ubkev]

I'll say it again: this board is well overrating ROR's market value. The Sabres aren't going to get close to #3 overall for him.

Yup

[SwampD]

I'll say it again:  this board is well overrating ROR's market value.  The Sabres aren't going to get close to #3 overall for him.

If you knew you were getting ROR at 3, you would absolutely take him. A teams risk tolerance plays into it as well. I don't think he is being overvalued, especially with the players available after 2 this year.

I don't but Hammy's Emo/broken locker room narrative one bit.

Edited June 21, 2018 by SwampD

[dudacek]

Market value for ROR?

 

Duchene got Turris, Bowers, Hammond, 1st, 3rd

Schenn got Lehtera and two firsts

Stepan got pick 7 and Deangelo. The Coyotes also got Raantta

Staal got pick 8, Sutter and Doumoulin

 

Can we agree those are solid comparables for establishing market value?

They’re at a similar level, but personally, I’d take ROR ahead of all those guys.

[nfreeman]

ROR has the Sabres' dysfunctional stink all over him.  He's a slow skater in a fast league that is getting faster and he has 5 years left on a fat contract.  And if our speculation about him asking for a trade is right, he will have forced his way off of 2 teams.

 

I could certainly be wrong, but I think you're looking at a #1 pick in the teens plus a good prospect and/or a below-all-star-level roster player and that's it.

[dudacek]

If you knew you were getting ROR at 3, you would absolutely take him. A teams risk tolerance plays into it as well. I don't think he is being overvalued, especially with the players available after 2 this year.

I don't but Hammy's Emo/broken locker room narrative one bit.

Personally, I’d rather have O’Reilly than any of the guys being picked at three this year.

But conventional wisdom says a rebuilding team takes an 18 year old over a 27 year old.

 

Of course conventional wisdom also says that when your best players are over 30 and you are stuck with them, you might want to build around them rather than a bunch of prospects that won’t be good until after you’re fired.

 

Who the hell knows with Bergevin?

[Randall Flagg]

His fat contract is actually going to be a steal this season, and if not, then next. 

This is a league where Johansen and Draisaitl make 8 and 8.5 mil (the latter posting Girgensons-esque ES metrics when not with McDavid). 

I agree that we're overrating his market value, but we have his actual hockey value bang-on, and that'll eventually become apparent if actual usage tactics occur on this team for the first time since Lindy lost track of the pulse of his team when losing the co-caps. 

[TrueBlueGED]

I'll say it again: this board is well overrating ROR's market value. The Sabres aren't going to get close to #3 overall for him.

Piggybacking on Dudacek, I think they could get somewhere in 5-10 for him plus another piece. He's not worse than Jordan Staal.

 

But you could be right, which would be all the more reason not to move him.

[darksabre]

His fat contract is actually going to be a steal this season, and if not, then next.

 

This is a league where Johansen and Draisaitl make 8 and 8.5 mil (the latter posting Girgensons-esque ES metrics when not with McDavid).

I agree that we're overrating his market value, but we have his actual hockey value bang-on, and that'll eventually become apparent if actual usage tactics occur on this team for the first time since Lindy lost track of the pulse of his team when losing the co-caps.

Yup. O'Reilly's contract is great

[TrueBlueGED]

ROR has the Sabres' dysfunctional stink all over him. He's a slow skater in a fast league that is getting faster and he has 5 years left on a fat contract. And if our speculation about him asking for a trade is right, he will have forced his way off of 2 teams.

 

I could certainly be wrong, but I think you're looking at a #1 pick in the teens plus a good prospect and/or a below-all-star-level roster player and that's it.

O'Reilly isn't slow. He's no burner, but he's not slow.

[Randall Flagg]

O'Reilly isn't slow. He's no burner, but he's not slow.

He's pretty slow. 

[IKnowPhysics]

I'll say it again: this board is well overrating ROR's market value. The Sabres aren't going to get close to #3 overall for him.

This is true, but mostly because there is significant value ROR on this roster as is right now.

 

O'Reilly is the 2nd best player and a legitimately good player on a team that iced a lot of truly awful players. So if another team wants to try to pry that out of Buffalo, it had better be with a big damn crowbar. Otherwise I'm happy to watch ROR play out his contract.

 

Additionally, we're not in a free, open market. We're also not in a hurry; we can afford patience. But for other teams in urgent need, the UFAs are this year, and if a team needs a good top six center, they should expect to over pay.

[TrueBlueGED]

He's pretty slow.

He has average speed. Average isn't slow. Larsson is slow.

Edited June 21, 2018 by TrueBlueGED

[Darryl Shannon's +/-]

His fat contract is actually going to be a steal this season, and if not, then next.

 

This is a league where Johansen and Draisaitl make 8 and 8.5 mil (the latter posting Girgensons-esque ES metrics when not with McDavid).

I agree that we're overrating his market value, but we have his actual hockey value bang-on, and that'll eventually become apparent if actual usage tactics occur on this team for the first time since Lindy lost track of the pulse of his team when losing the co-caps.

I think the real cash tied to his contract needs to be looked at. Saves an owner real cash, which does have value.

[JJFIVEOH]

Not everybody in the league is going to be a speed skater. Some players actually offer other talents besides speed. O'Reilly's game isn't based on speed, he excels elsewhere. If your game is based on speed and you slow over time, then there's a problem. 

[Ogre]

He has average speed. Average isn't slow. Larsson is slow.

Larsson has mud flaps...

[dudacek]

Speed is the flavour of the month. It’s useful and it’s important, but it’s just one weapon of many.

 

Evander Kane is much faster at carrying or chasing the puck than ROR or Freeman’s other favourite turtle, Reinhart.

But the turtles are much faster at getting the puck or themselves to where they need to go because they are much more efficient at processing the game than Kane will ever be.

 

It’s not how fast you skate, it’s how fast you play.

[darksabre]

Speed is the flavour of the month. It’s useful and it’s important, but it’s just one weapon of many.

 

Evander Kane is much faster at carrying or chasing the puck than ROR or Freeman’s other favourite turtle, Reinhart.

But the turtles are much faster at getting the puck or themselves to where they need to go because they are much more efficient at processing the game than Kane will ever be.

 

It’s not how fast you skate, it’s how fast you play.

Boom. Well said.