Trade Speculation and Rumors 2018-19

[Weave]

Bellows, #12 overall, and whatever for ROR.

 

Bellows won't be what O'Reilly is, and #12 is a chance at a player that might develop into Ryan O'Reilly (or develop into Tyler Ennis, or Zemgus Girgensons) in 3 years.  We likely lose that trade AND it won't be confirmed for 3 years.  We need an ROR level player now coming back.

Edited June 6, 2018 by We've

[darksabre]

Depends on the first and the prospect. You can't just call it a loss without even knowing who we get.

It would have to be a first, a 30 goal scorer, and the best prospect in that respective team's org. That's my price.

[dudacek]

"I understand that teams interested in him are being told that it would have to be very similar to the Mike Richards from Philadelphia to Los Angeles style deal that was circa 2012, it was six years ago.”

 

Direct quote from McKenzie, not speculation on what might make sense.

Inquiries have been made. The fact the speculation has continued lead me to believe there have been some return calls.

 

I think it would be a mistake to dismiss all the talk as echo chamber.

[Randall Flagg]

"I understand that teams interested in him are being told that it would have to be very similar to the Mike Richards from Philadelphia to Los Angeles style deal that was circa 2012, it was six years ago.”

 

Direct quote from McKenzie, not speculation on what might make sense.

Inquiries have been made. The fact the speculation has continued lead me to believe there have been some return calls.

 

I think it would be a mistake to dismiss all the talk as echo chamber.

That's definitely a thing I didn't see. it's not a thing that appreciably changes my conclusion though.

[LGR4GM]

Bellows won't be what O'Reilly is, and #12 is a chance at a player that might develop into Ryan O'Reilly (or develop into Tyler Ennis, or Zemgus Girgensons) in 3 years. We likely lose that trade AND it won't be confirmed for 3 years. We need an ROR level player now coming back.

Or 12 could be Barzal, Boeser, Pastrnak, Karlsson, and the list goes on.

 

Idk what you mean by bellows won't be what ROR is. A center? A 60pt player?

[Randall Flagg]

Or 12 could be Barzal, Boeser, Pastrnak, Karlsson, and the list goes on.

 

Idk what you mean by bellows won't be what ROR is. A center? A 60pt player?

I think We've is right, though, that at this juncture we can't afford to trade one of our three good NHL forwards, the second-best one, the one we won't see another one in the same mold of for a long time (Peca -> Drury -> ROR), for 3 things, two of which are that who-knows factor (and a pick like 12 has a much higher rate of failure than rate of turning into a top line guy like those guys) which will take years to reach good-NHL-player status if they ever do at all. 

[TrueBlueGED]

IF O'Reilly gets traded, I think it'll tell us a lot about where Botterill thinks the team is at. Given there's no compelling reason to move him (such as entering the last year of his contract), if Botterill trades him for futures, to me that means he thinks the team won't compete for 3 years.

[Taro T]

Or 12 could be Barzal, Boeser, Pastrnak, Karlsson, and the list goes on.

Idk what you mean by bellows won't be what ROR is. A center? A 60pt player?

Could being the operative word. We know what O'Reilly is and unless management believes that HE is a major issue in the dressing room, there is no way he should be traded for a package that COULD in THREE (or more) years be more valuable than ROR is NOW. (& ftr, haven't seen anything yet convincing enough to believe that management believes he's creating issues holding this team back.)

[Weave]

Or 12 could be Barzal, Boeser, Pastrnak, Karlsson, and the list goes on.

 

Idk what you mean by bellows won't be what ROR is. A center? A 60pt player?

 

You're right.  12 could be all that too.  I don't want to gamble with a player like ROR.  We need an ROR level player coming back, not a lottery ticket.

 

I don't expect Bellows to develop into the player of the stature O'Reilly has become. 

IF O'Reilly gets traded, I think it'll tell us a lot about where Botterill thinks the team is at. Given there's no compelling reason to move him (such as entering the last year of his contract), if Botterill trades him for futures, to me that means he thinks the team won't compete for 3 years.

 

I might even stop getting mad in here if this comes to pass. 

 

Or not.

[WildCard]

IF O'Reilly gets traded, I think it'll tell us a lot about where Botterill thinks the team is at. Given there's no compelling reason to move him (such as entering the last year of his contract), if Botterill trades him for futures, to me that means he thinks the team won't compete for 3 years.

Hadn't thought about that, but I think you're right. How long did it take the Flyers to rebound from the Carter/Richards trades?

[LGR4GM]

You're right. 12 could be all that too. I don't want to gamble with a player like ROR. We need an ROR level player coming back, not a lottery ticket.

 

I don't expect Bellows to develop into the player of the stature O'Reilly has become.

 

 

I might even stop getting mad in here if this comes to pass.

 

Or not.

What do you mean? He won't be a 60pt player? He won't be good 5v5? Maybe a better question and I guess more to what I want to know, what is ROR.

 

Also there's this https://www.thescreen.co/single-post/2018/06/05/Turns-Out-Good-Players-Play-Better-With-Other-Good-Players-The-Sam-Reinhart-and-Ryan-OReilly-Story

[jsb]

Skinner, Hanifin, 2nd round pick for ROR & Bailey/Girgensons, anything less than that is a no no in my book.

You then have Risto-Dahlin-Guhle-Hanifin as your top 4 of the future, pick up a UFA center to get you thru until Casey is ready to be a #2. 

[dudacek]

IF O'Reilly gets traded, I think it'll tell us a lot about where Botterill thinks the team is at. Given there's no compelling reason to move him (such as entering the last year of his contract), if Botterill trades him for futures, to me that means he thinks the team won't compete for 3 years.

I think if the McKenzie quote is to be taken seriously, Botterill is looking for players of an age with Sam and Jack, more so than picks.

 

Hanifin and Lindholm would fit the profile.

[Winston]

Go big or go home... ROR for PK

 

#hockeytrade

[TrueBlueGED]

I think if the McKenzie quote is to be taken seriously, Botterill is looking for players of an age with Sam and Jack, more so than picks.

 

Hanifin and Lindholm would fit the profile.

Sign me up for Hanifin and Lindholm, probably with some kind of an add from our side. If it's only one or the other, I'm likely not interested.

[WildCard]

That trade happened in 2011, the Flyers made the 2nd round of the playoffs the season after the trade happened.  They haven't made it out of the 1st roudn since and missed completely 3 times.

Hmmm way better than I thought. Still there are other factors with that. FA, their stockpile of prospects and talent before the trade, etc. Still, gives me hope

[TrueBlueGED]

Go big or go home... ROR for PK

 

#hockeytrade

I think...I think it moved.

[WildCard]

Go big or go home... ROR for PK

 

#hockeytrade

Sign me up for Hanifin and Lindholm, probably with some kind of an add from our side. If it's only one or the other, I'm likely not interested

I think...I think it moved.

Our forwards are abysmal and we're getting Dahlin

[Darryl Shannon's +/-]

IF O'Reilly gets traded, I think it'll tell us a lot about where Botterill thinks the team is at. Given there's no compelling reason to move him (such as entering the last year of his contract), if Botterill trades him for futures, to me that means he thinks the team won't compete for 3 years.

Depends on how you define compete. I hope our gm counts that as being able to contend for the cup, and not limping into the playoffs.

 

If that's the case, we are 2-3 away. And ROR is not part of that picture. Trade him while his value is high, and also when the real money remaining on his contract will be a windfall to an owner worried about cash.

[TrueBlueGED]

Our forwards are abysmal and we're getting Dahlin

This is true, but Subban is straight up better than O'Reilly. You make the move then figure out a subsequent move to balance it, with Risto being the most logical chip.

[WildCard]

This is true, but Subban is straight up better than O'Reilly. You make the move then figure out a subsequent move to balance it, with Risto being the most logical chip.

It would depend a lot on who that is. Risto and RoR are signed long term here and are relatively cheap. Subban carries a $9M cap hit through 2021.

 

Edit: A team can't just be a collection of superstars, you have to have cheap talent and depth throughout

Edited June 6, 2018 by WildCard

[darksabre]

Go big or go home... ROR for PK

 

#hockeytrade

Honestly, that doesn't interest me. I really need a big time winger if we're trading O'Reilly. It needs to be Aho from Carolina.

[TrueBlueGED]

It would depend a lot on who that is. Risto and RoR are signed long term here and are relatively cheap. Subban carries a $9M cap hit through 2021

Which is fine for a Norris-caliber defender. I'm really curious as to what Risto's market value would be for a young forward.

It would depend a lot on who that is. Risto and RoR are signed long term here and are relatively cheap. Subban carries a $9M cap hit through 2021.

 

Edit: A team can't just be a collection of superstars, you have to have cheap talent and depth throughout

Right, but we're not sacrificing depth in the hypothetical here.

[WildCard]

Which is fine for a Norris-caliber defender. I'm really curious as to what Risto's market value would be for a young forward.

 

Right, but we're not sacrificing depth in the hypothetical here.

I think any move trading Risto means an enormous sacrifice in cheap depth. I really, really don't want to move him. And it seems any RoR trade necessitates that, so I don't want to move RoR either as a consequence

[TrueBlueGED]

Honestly, that doesn't interest me. I really need a big time winger if we're trading O'Reilly. It needs to be Aho from Carolina.

Only way I'm moving O'Reilly for a winger is if the winger is better than O'Reilly is at center. Has to be an player upgrade to offset the reduced positional value. Aho fits the bill, but no way Carolina moves him.

I think any move trading Risto means an enormous sacrifice in cheap depth. I really, really don't want to move him. And it seems any RoR trade necessitates that, so I don't want to move RoR either as a consequence

Risto isn't cheap depth. He's paid to be a top pair defender. How many teams have 2-3 defensemen making more than him?