Huckleberry Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: Except Bogo and if you have to retain some salary KO out, agreed. Thing with Bogo, this is the first year I actually like him a bit. His value is higher, so I consider him a trade candidate. He is one of the leaders in that room though so that would make me doubt it. I can't even dream we can get rid of KO somehow now Chiarelli got fired ? Quote
Taro T Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 13 hours ago, erickompositör72 said: Scandella may have some value to the right GM- someone who thinks he just needs a "change of scenery" (which very well might be the case, in reality) He might, but with Chiarelli out, there is one less potential suitor for his service. Though there might be a GM that views him as a change of scenery candidate, we have to remember he was the 5 in Minnesota and has worked his way back to the 5 or 6 here in Buffalo. He has value as he is a legit NHLer, but 3rd pairing guys don't usually move the needle too much. That he still has short term left on the deal after this season should help should Botterill decide to move him. He wouldn't be a true rental & he wouldn't create a concern of still being under contract when his "best by" date has come & went. Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: Thing with Bogo, this is the first year I actually like him a bit. His value is higher, so I consider him a trade candidate. He is one of the leaders in that room though so that would make me doubt it. I can't even dream we can get rid of KO somehow now Chiarelli got fired ? Why on earth would we trade him? There is no reason to trade him. He got his surgery and is healthy and playing like he should. 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said: I know we all want playoffs , but the only thing we should do at the deadline is sell. Beaulieu / pommer / Sobotka / Bogo. Call kids up from Rochester and keep all our draft picks. One of these things is not like the other... Edited January 25, 2019 by LGR4GM 1 Quote
Huckleberry Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 4 months ago everyone wanted bogo gone, yes he is playing well, but can he keep this up ? 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 I didn't. Or at least I don't remember being on that train. Yes he can keep it up because he is playing with a capable partner and got the surgery he needed. Quote
Taro T Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Why on earth would we trade him? There is no reason to trade him. He got his surgery and is healthy and playing like he should. He also is the guy that is paired up with either Dahlin or Pilut when they are not just passing the eye test but actually showing signs of what they'll be when they're fully acclimated and getting some people to say they alrrady are that top pairing or 2nd pairing guy, respectively, that they'll likely end up. He's gone from NoGo to the defenseman whisperer (aka the new version of Tallinder). They only guys it would be more shocking to find out they traded away than Bogosian would be Eichel or Dahlin. Quote
Huckleberry Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, LGR4GM said: I didn't. Or at least I don't remember being on that train. Yes he can keep it up because he is playing with a capable partner and got the surgery he needed. I do like him with Dhalin. Quote
North Buffalo Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 https://twointhebox.com/2019/01/24/over-thought-rumor-season-is-about-to-hit-full-throttle/ 1 Quote
Huckleberry Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 50 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: https://twointhebox.com/2019/01/24/over-thought-rumor-season-is-about-to-hit-full-throttle/ I would do that though, burakovsky for two mid round pics. Certainly Beaulieu + a 4th for him. Quote
Samson's Flow Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Why on earth would we trade him? There is no reason to trade him. He got his surgery and is healthy and playing like he should. One of these things is not like the other... On the Bogo front, I have no interest in trading him. If anything, all of his past struggles and injury issues will give us the ammunition to keep his next contract reasonable. He's the exact type of 2nd pairing guy this team and system needs. His strong play this year isn't a long enough track record to boost his trade value with other GMs all that much anyways. 3 Quote
Samson's Flow Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Huckleberry said: I know we all want playoffs , but the only thing we should do at the deadline is sell. Beaulieu / pommer / Sobotka / Bogo. Call kids up from Rochester and keep all our draft picks. I agree with this. JBott should focus this year on maximizing future value for the players that aren't in the long term plans. We have too many 'meh' forwards that are too good to bench/send down but not good enough to extend long term or make a difference. Managing to turn these assets into 2nd/3rd round picks can make a difference when we are competing if we hit on one of those. We can also use those mid-round pick gains to offset buying a 2C at the deadline too. Adding that one piece is way more valuable than the loss of the above players imo. Quote
Scottysabres Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 Dreger just said on the instigators that after speaking with sources in Detroit Athanasiou will not be traded. Quote
jame Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 SJ 1st, Buf 4th, Sean Malone for Eric Staal Marco Scandella for NYI 2nd Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart Erod/Sheary-Staal-Okposo Nylander-Mittelstadt-Thompson Erod/Sheary-Larsson-Girgs Dahlin-Bogo Pilut-Risto McCabe-Nelson/Hunwick/Beaulieu Make playoffs (Add Staal, Nylander. Remove Poms, Sobotka, Scandella... old, slow) 2019 STL 1st - Ryan Suzuki 2019 BUF 1st - Arthur Kaliyev 1 Quote
Hoss Posted January 25, 2019 Report Posted January 25, 2019 3 hours ago, jame said: SJ 1st, Buf 4th, Sean Malone for Eric Staal Marco Scandella for NYI 2nd Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart Erod/Sheary-Staal-Okposo Nylander-Mittelstadt-Thompson Erod/Sheary-Larsson-Girgs Dahlin-Bogo Pilut-Risto McCabe-Nelson/Hunwick/Beaulieu Make playoffs (Add Staal, Nylander. Remove Poms, Sobotka, Scandella... old, slow) 2019 STL 1st - Ryan Suzuki 2019 BUF 1st - Arthur Kaliyev I’m not convinced this gets us there nor am I making that Staal deal Quote
jame Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Hoss said: I’m not convinced this gets us there nor am I making that Staal deal Do you agree that the SJ pick is likely to be a late 1st and that late 1sts have about a 20% success rate? Quote
Hoss Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, jame said: Do you agree that the SJ pick is likely to be a late 1st and that late 1sts have about a 20% success rate? If that, yes. But the value of a first is for us is better spent on term. 3 Quote
Thorner Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Taro T said: He also is the guy that is paired up with either Dahlin or Pilut when they are not just passing the eye test but actually showing signs of what they'll be when they're fully acclimated and getting some people to say they alrrady are that top pairing or 2nd pairing guy, respectively, that they'll likely end up. He's gone from NoGo to the defenseman whisperer (aka the new version of Tallinder). They only guys it would be more shocking to find out they traded away than Bogosian would be Eichel or Dahlin. I'd also be more surprised if they traded Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Skinner, Ristolainen, or Ullmark. ? Edited January 26, 2019 by Thorny 1 Quote
Taro T Posted January 26, 2019 Report Posted January 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Thorny said: I'd also be more surprised if they traded Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Skinner, Ristolainen, or Ullmark. ? In a vacuum, sure. But at his salary & with his injury history, he isn't bringing back a huge return. Can't see a team that would make an offer that returns as much value to the Sabres as they're getting from him now. Really don't see him as part of a blockbuster, but could see the other guys you mentioned (minus Ullmark, will give you that one) as part of one. Quote
sweetlou Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 I thought of interesting three way trade this morning and wanted to get some feedback. Trade involves Buffalo, Edmonton, and Philadelphia. Buffalo sends Edmonton Reinhart and Beaulieu. Reinhart goes home and gives Edmonton wing scoring. They can drop Draisaitl to second line center. Beaulieu is LD and would get chance to play in Edmonton. Edmonton sends Philadelphia Nugent-Hopkins. Nugent-Hopkins gives Philly a new fresh center behind Giroux. Just mainly a flip flop of Nugent-Hopkins for Coutier. Philadelphia sends Buffalo Couturier. Couturier gives Buffalo much needed second line center. Edmonton sends Buffalo Benning.- RD that would fit in nicely on third pairing for Buffalo. Trade breakdowns for each team. Buffalo trades Reinhart and Beaulieu for Couturier and Benning. Philadelphia trades Couturier for Nugent-Hopkins. Edmonton trades Nugent-Hopkins and Benning for Reinhart and Beaulieu. Maybe could add other prospects or picks but this would be the core of the trade. Enough going each way? No one is pending UFA. Each forward has term or team control for a couple of years. Quote
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Reinhart is from Vancouver, not Edmonton. Someone would have to "sweeten" the pot for Philly (hopefully EDM). I'd rather try to get Couturier without giving up Sam because I think those two would be good together on L2. Just send all our picks this year(limit-two 1st rd picks) for Couturier and Simmonds. Throw in Nylander if necessary. Edited January 29, 2019 by MakeSabresGrr8Again Quote
sweetlou Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Reinhart is from Vancouver, not Edmonton. Someone would have to "sweeten" the pot for Philly (hopefully EDM). I'd rather try to get Couturier without giving up Sam because I think those two would be good together on L2. Just send all our picks this year(limit-two 1st rd picks) for Couturier and Simmonds. Throw in Nylander if necessary. My bad...I got Guhle and Samson mixed up. Guhle is from Edmonton. I think Philly getting a number 1 overall pick in Nugent-Hopkins is enough to get Couturier. Edmonton gains in cap space by dropping Nugent-Hopkins...they also can control Samson contract as he would still be an RFA. All forwards have similar numbers in past two years, just different style of players. Couturier better center defensively, better on face-offs, more grit. Nugent-Hopkins is probably better play maker and more speed. Reinhart good play maker and scoring winger. Quote
dudacek Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 2 hours ago, sweetlou said: I thought of interesting three way trade this morning and wanted to get some feedback. Trade involves Buffalo, Edmonton, and Philadelphia. Buffalo sends Edmonton Reinhart and Beaulieu. Reinhart goes home and gives Edmonton wing scoring. They can drop Draisaitl to second line center. Beaulieu is LD and would get chance to play in Edmonton. 1 hour ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: Reinhart is from Vancouver, not Edmonton. Someone would have to "sweeten" the pot for Philly (hopefully EDM). I'd rather try to get Couturier without giving up Sam because I think those two would be good together on L2. Just send all our picks this year(limit-two 1st rd picks) for Couturier and Simmonds. Throw in Nylander if necessary. As someone from Reinhart's part of the world, Edmonton is as close to home as Charlotte is to Buffalo. 1 1 Quote
Hoss Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, dudacek said: As someone from Reinhart's part of the world, Edmonton is as close to home as Charlotte is to Buffalo. For me, they’re both home. Buffalo currently but I’m moving to Charlotte next week so this all checks out. Quote
dudacek Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 I briefly called Edmonton home about 45 years ago. Never, ever, again. 1 Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 29, 2019 Report Posted January 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, Hoss said: For me, they’re both home. Buffalo currently but I’m moving to Charlotte next week so this all checks out. Good luck. I hope this is for good reasons. 1 Quote
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