Huckleberry Posted January 6, 2019 Report Posted January 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Taro T said: But to the original question, take a look at what the Sabres gave up for 1 season of Skinner. That's the ceiling of what would come back in a trade. Not exactly worth blowing up the top line for it. Especially when all the other negative externalities of trading him are factored in. When all that's been factored in, the net of trading him is a fan mutiny. his NMC really limited the price we paid for him, he said no to most trade proposals that happened before that. Quote
Taro T Posted January 6, 2019 Report Posted January 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: his NMC really limited the price we paid for him, he said no to most trade proposals that happened before that. Good point. But it's all moot, as he's re-signing. Quote
Taro T Posted January 6, 2019 Report Posted January 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, Die Hard said: If you forego the extra year... and pick up the extra $1M/year in the contract (which is the difference between $8M and $9M)... then the total overall contract could be the same amount (minus a year). Would Skinner care? He played himself into this contract. He wanted to the audition going into this contract year... and his best bet was to go to a Buffalo team that was a cellar dweller and get guaranteed first-line play with a bonafide center. I think that was his motivation.... than caring for the actual franchise ? And I think at this point in his career.... once he gets the contract he wants (maxes out), I don't think he cares who's paying it - regardless of what team he wants to play for, who he'll be playing with. And I think as a 45-goal scorer.... teams would make room if they had to. Seems like we're the only team that can't seem to unload any contracts. What teams do you see him getting $9MM/year from? He's not a 40GS when playing with middling linemates. If he's not a 40+ goal scorer, he's not worth significantly more than Evander Kane IMHO and Kane now is pretty much $7x7. And, again, without an Eichel, he's not a 40 GS. Andif he could be, say, Matthews LW, how do they work a $9MM contract into that already bloated F contract lineup? Quote
Die Hard Posted January 6, 2019 Report Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Taro T said: What teams do you see him getting $9MM/year from? He's not a 40GS when playing with middling linemates. If he's not a 40+ goal scorer, he's not worth significantly more than Evander Kane IMHO and Kane now is pretty much $7x7. And, again, without an Eichel, he's not a 40 GS. Andif he could be, say, Matthews LW, how do they work a $9MM contract into that already bloated F contract lineup? I don't disagree with you. Those are all logical points. And I'm not THAT much of an NHL nut to know which teams can currently afford that salary. But what I do know.... is that team's always find a way. How the Leafs cleared all those terrible contracts a few years ago was mind-numbing. But I've been a fan of professional sports for 10+ years. And the one constant I always see is bloated contracts... based on history (more than projection) for older players that produced in the past.... or maxing out every year based on that player's best statistical year. Let's be honest..... Jack didn't deserve $10/year up to this point. Giving it to him had a lot of nuance to it... but always in the player's favor. Especially when it comes to Free Agency. And 40-goal scorers... regardless of how... are a rare commodity in this league now. Somebody is going to over-pay.... there's hardly ever good value contracts any longer. Edited January 6, 2019 by Die Hard Quote
Brawndo Posted January 6, 2019 Author Report Posted January 6, 2019 From Saturday Headlines last night on HNIC Matt Duchene expected to be available at the trade deadline as his contract talks with Ottawa haven’t been productive. Michael Ferland expected to be on the market as well Also Dougie Hamilton could be available for the right price as the Hurricanes May look to move a RHD Quote
Taro T Posted January 6, 2019 Report Posted January 6, 2019 36 minutes ago, Brawndo said: From Saturday Headlines last night on HNIC Matt Duchene expected to be available at the trade deadline as his contract talks with Ottawa haven’t been productive. Michael Ferland expected to be on the market as well Also Dougie Hamilton could be available for the right price as the Hurricanes May look to move a RHD What a kick in the rear end that'll be if they end up trading him away considering they've given up what will almost definitely be a top 5 pick this year in that package to land him. Quote
Thorner Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Taro T said: What a kick in the rear end that'll be if they end up trading him away considering they've given up what will almost definitely be a top 5 pick this year in that package to land him. Oh man Hamilton too, can't believe this guy keeps getting moved. Quote
Huckleberry Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Thorny said: Oh man Hamilton too, can't believe this guy keeps getting moved. If somehow Risto is involved in a trade, then I can see us targetting him. Quote
MODO Hockey Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said: If somehow Risto is involved in a trade, then I can see us targetting him. Moving Risto is wrong, but why would Sabres trade Risto for Hamilton ? why would you? Quote
Sabel79 Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MODO Hockey said: Moving Risto is wrong, but why would Sabres trade Risto for Hamilton ? why would you? I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume that he means that if Risto is dealt, Hamilton could be targeted in a seperate trade. Still, the return on Risto had best be spectacular in the first instance, and meh on Hamilton. Edited January 7, 2019 by Sabel79 Quote
Huckleberry Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, MODO Hockey said: Moving Risto is wrong, but why would Sabres trade Risto for Hamilton ? why would you? Didn't say we'd trade Risto for him, just said if Risto was moved I can see us going after Hamilton in another deal. 1 Quote
MODO Hockey Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 43 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: Didn't say we'd trade Risto for him, just said if Risto was moved I can see us going after Hamilton in another deal. Sure hope we dont move Risto at all. He was terrible in the start of this season but has turned it around. Quote
Huckleberry Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, MODO Hockey said: Sure hope we dont move Risto at all. He was terrible in the start of this season but has turned it around. And even if he is bad, him and bogo are our few tough guys we actually have. Wouldn't mind seeing them bring in Ferland to add some toughness. Quote
Hoss Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Huckleberry said: And even if he is bad, him and bogo are our few tough guys we actually have. Wouldn't mind seeing them bring in Ferland to add some toughness. I really hope Botterill isn’t stuck in this ancient mindset. Successful teams just don’t do this stuff anymore. Quote
Brawndo Posted January 7, 2019 Author Report Posted January 7, 2019 From The Athletic Craig Custance We’re at that point. Many of the NHL’s general managers got together during the World Junior Championships, where trade talk is inevitably stoked. Most teams are hosting organizational scouting meetings this week, if they haven’t already. After that input is received, trade season is open in earnest. Fun time for the fans. Stressful time for the players. And if you’re a GM, it’s as busy as it will be all year. It’s also an interesting market. Several conversations with GMs and league executives over the course of the past week or so have indicated that it’s a strong buyers market right now. As one GM put it, there’s already a lot of inventory out there and we’re early on in the process. “Half the league is a moderate to aggressive seller,” said the GM. It’s good news for potential buyers like San Jose, Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Nashville, Toronto and others. Not so great if you’re trying to sell. But the high number of sellers also makes for a fascinating list of available players, one that will be ever expanding as we get closer to the Feb. 25 deadline I wonder which Seller will set the market Quote
Taro T Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Brawndo said: From The Athletic Craig Custance We’re at that point. Many of the NHL’s general managers got together during the World Junior Championships, where trade talk is inevitably stoked. Most teams are hosting organizational scouting meetings this week, if they haven’t already. After that input is received, trade season is open in earnest. Fun time for the fans. Stressful time for the players. And if you’re a GM, it’s as busy as it will be all year. It’s also an interesting market. Several conversations with GMs and league executives over the course of the past week or so have indicated that it’s a strong buyers market right now. As one GM put it, there’s already a lot of inventory out there and we’re early on in the process. “Half the league is a moderate to aggressive seller,” said the GM. It’s good news for potential buyers like San Jose, Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Nashville, Toronto and others. Not so great if you’re trying to sell. But the high number of sellers also makes for a fascinating list of available players, one that will be ever expanding as we get closer to the Feb. 25 deadline I wonder which Seller will set the market So find our ST (1-1/2 season's worth) 2C, Mr. Botterill. Quote
darksabre Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, Brawndo said: From The Athletic Craig Custance We’re at that point. Many of the NHL’s general managers got together during the World Junior Championships, where trade talk is inevitably stoked. Most teams are hosting organizational scouting meetings this week, if they haven’t already. After that input is received, trade season is open in earnest. Fun time for the fans. Stressful time for the players. And if you’re a GM, it’s as busy as it will be all year. It’s also an interesting market. Several conversations with GMs and league executives over the course of the past week or so have indicated that it’s a strong buyers market right now. As one GM put it, there’s already a lot of inventory out there and we’re early on in the process. “Half the league is a moderate to aggressive seller,” said the GM. It’s good news for potential buyers like San Jose, Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Nashville, Toronto and others. Not so great if you’re trying to sell. But the high number of sellers also makes for a fascinating list of available players, one that will be ever expanding as we get closer to the Feb. 25 deadline I wonder which Seller will set the market If I had to guess, Philly or St. Louis. Quote
Huckleberry Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Hoss said: I really hope Botterill isn’t stuck in this ancient mindset. Successful teams just don’t do this stuff anymore. I mean players also that don't fall over wiht the slightest push, or just when no one is around like Erod/sheary. Edited January 7, 2019 by Huckleberry Quote
Hoss Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: I mean players also that don't fall over wiht the slightest push, or just when no one is around like Erod/sheary. Sure. I’m not sure what that has to do with any of this. Quote
Huckleberry Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hoss said: Sure. I’m not sure what that has to do with any of this. That we don't have enough players that push back, we have to many pussies on the team. Quote
jsb Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Hoss said: Sure. I’m not sure what that has to do with any of this. 7 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: That we don't have enough players that push back, we have to many pussies on the team. Are we talking about the Sabres or the Beauts?? The reason I ask is those things are pretty tough, they take a beating and keep on ticking. Maybe a better description would be gonads, because them suckers are adverse to a hit and curl up into a tiny ball when dipped into cold water 1 Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 We do not have secondary scoring. Toughness be damned without scoring. Quote
shrader Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: We do not have secondary scoring. Toughness be damned without scoring. Your tune will change when we add so and so who can punch the puck into the net. 1 Quote
Huckleberry Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 Can joke all you want, but at least ferland puts more goals in the net than Okposo/erod together. Quote
inkman Posted January 7, 2019 Report Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: Can joke all you want, but at least ferland puts more goals in the net than Okposo/erod together. Is that because he's "tough" ? Quote
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