TrueBlueGED Posted February 11, 2019 Report Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 10:52 PM, Thorny said: Honestly, if even: Skinner - Eichel - Whoever Huberdeau - Mittelstadt - Reinhart ...isn't a playoffs-achieving top-6, I'd be fairly surprised. If we can add that 2C and bump Casey down for a time, if we didn't make the playoffs I'd be at a loss. Expand That's definitely a playoff top-6. Mittelstadt has been clearly overmatched, but skating him with the Thompsons and Okposos of the world hasn't done him any favors. I'd also like to add a center regardless, but I'm not complaining much if Mitts is flanked by those two wings. 2 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 11, 2019 Report Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 10:22 PM, New Scotland (NS) said: Is there anything in the CBA that would not allow a sign and trade deal like in the NBA? Thanks. I'll hang up and listen. Expand Yes. They are talking about that with Duchene. Quote
sweetlou Posted February 11, 2019 Report Posted February 11, 2019 Maybe Botts could work something out with Columbus and Florida to make a three way trade. Florida gets Bobrovsky and Panarin. Buffalo gets Huberdeau and RD Weeger from Florida. Columbus gets Scandella, Nylander, and San Jose 1st from Buffalo. Columbus gets Florida 1st and G James Reimer. Buffalo gets Boone Jenner from Columbus. Br4eak down for each team... Florida trades Huberdeau, Weeger, Reimer, and 1st rd pick for Panarin and Bobrovsky. Columbus trades Panarin, and Bobrovsky for Scandella, Sobotka, Nylander, Reimer, and two 1st rd picks. Buffalo trades Scandella, Sobotka, Nylander, and 1st pick for Huberdeau and Weeger. Quote
shrader Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 10:09 PM, erickompositör72 said: I don't think there's any way to guarantee that, or write it into the trade language, is there? Unless the extension is signed before the trade happens? You could make draft picks conditional, but that's a risk for both teams, because a player and an agent can always change their mind when the extension is actually offered post-trade, right? Expand It's simple really. You give the team permission to talk to the player ahead of the deal. If they reach an agreement, the trade goes through. I suppose they could back out after that, but in that case, the deal gets voided. Any agent playing that game is risking career suicide. On 2/11/2019 at 11:08 PM, TrueBlueGED said: If Columbus could get Huberdeau for Panarin, that would be a coup. I can't imagine they'd get a better asset from another team. Expand It involves a larger deal obviously, but Columbus would be crazy to not entertain the notion. Quote
Samson's Flow Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 10:55 PM, North Buffalo said: put Sheary Mitts and Sam together move Huberdeau up. Mitts playing a lot better lately, move guys up from the A next year for third line. Expand Huberdeau is primarily a LW, even though he is listed as a C on some sites. As such, you probably wouldn't want to play him on his off wing on the top line as it may limit his productivity. I think that... On 2/11/2019 at 11:11 PM, TrueBlueGED said: Skinner - Eichel - Whoever Huberdeau - Mittelstadt - Reinhart Expand ...gives us more of a line 1A/1B type of scenario and prevents teams from stacking to shut down the Eichel line, which has recently been the formula to beat the Sabres. Quote
inkman Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 9:36 PM, Mustache of God said: Wouldn't Huberdeau be sent back to COL if they're trading Panarin and Bob? Expand This seems to be the correct concept Quote
shrader Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 9:36 PM, Mustache of God said: Wouldn't Huberdeau be sent back to COL if they're trading Panarin and Bob? Expand My nitpicky helpful hint of the day: COL is the NHL abbreviation for Colorado. CBJ is Columbus. I really hope I'm not coming across as an ass on this one. There's enough craziness around the Avs that I could probably be easily convinced that they somehow have a claim to Huberdeau through the Duchene trade. 1 Quote
tom webster Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 The assumption is that Panarin and Bob are signing as free agents in June, not be traded to Florida. Florida is then going to need to shed some payroll. Quote
Mustache of God Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 4:12 PM, shrader said: My nitpicky helpful hint of the day: COL is the NHL abbreviation for Colorado. CBJ is Columbus. I really hope I'm not coming across as an ass on this one. There's enough craziness around the Avs that I could probably be easily convinced that they somehow have a claim to Huberdeau through the Duchene trade. Expand No, you're right. As soon as I posted that I looked at it thought "hmm...that doesn't look right, but with context people should understand what I meant". Anyways, it seems highly unlikely that Buffalo would be able to land Hubey in this scenario as it'd depend on a trade & sign for two players, plus CBJ would be getting a sizeable return for that package, I don't see how Buffalo makes sense here aside from fantasy trade scenarios. Quote
Brawndo Posted February 12, 2019 Author Report Posted February 12, 2019 His NTC does not kick in until July 1st, so this could be a draft day deal for Florida and they would have a better indication about landing Panarin and Bob by then. Quote
Cityo'Rasmii Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 Don't know if this is credible info or not but heard that Panarin has a condo in Florida and also that his GF likes Florida Quote
Brawndo Posted February 12, 2019 Author Report Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 4:59 PM, Cityo'Rasmii said: Don't know if this is credible info or not but heard that Panarin has a condo in Florida and also that his GF likes Florida Expand The rumor has always been a big city or a place that is warm. Miami checks both boxes. Also another small detail, if Florida does want to shed salary that probably means Mike Hoffman hits UFA on July 1st. Quote
LTS Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/11/2019 at 11:15 PM, sweetlou said: Maybe Botts could work something out with Columbus and Florida to make a three way trade. Florida gets Bobrovsky and Panarin. Buffalo gets Huberdeau and RD Weeger from Florida. Columbus gets Scandella, Nylander, and San Jose 1st from Buffalo. Columbus gets Florida 1st and G James Reimer. Buffalo gets Boone Jenner from Columbus. Br4eak down for each team... Florida trades Huberdeau, Weeger, Reimer, and 1st rd pick for Panarin and Bobrovsky. Columbus trades Panarin, and Bobrovsky for Scandella, Sobotka, Nylander, Reimer, and two 1st rd picks. Buffalo trades Scandella, Sobotka, Nylander, and 1st pick for Huberdeau and Weeger. Expand This trade cannot happen because Twitter doesn't allow enough characters for the insiders to parse it properly. ? It's certainly creative. I think a trade of that complexity would melt people's brains. Quote
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 7:04 PM, LTS said: This trade cannot happen because Twitter doesn't allow enough characters for the insiders to parse it properly. ? It's certainly creative. I think a trade of that complexity would melt people's brains. Expand I'm trying to figure out what happened here. In the trade proposal there's no mention of Sobotka, yet his name comes up in the break down. Also, in the trade there's mention of Boone Jenner, yet his name disappears in the break down. Quote
Weave Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 When was the last time there was a 3 way trade in the league? Quote
shrader Posted February 12, 2019 Report Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 11:21 PM, Weave said: When was the last time there was a 3 way trade in the league? Expand Mike Hoffman. Don’t know if it is the most recent, but it immediately comes to mind. That’s as complex as any of those trades would every get... not very Quote
#freejame Posted February 13, 2019 Report Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 11:56 PM, shrader said: Mike Hoffman. Don’t know if it is the most recent, but it immediately comes to mind. That’s as complex as any of those trades would every get... not very Expand Might be semantics but wasn’t that two separate deals? Hoffman to San Jose (?) then to Florida. Ottawa didn’t want Hoffman in the division Quote
shrader Posted February 13, 2019 Report Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 12:44 AM, IrwinNelson said: Might be semantics but wasn’t that two separate deals? Hoffman to San Jose (?) then to Florida. Ottawa didn’t want Hoffman in the division Expand That’s exactly how the so called three way deal works. It’s actually a series of trades. Quote
#freejame Posted February 13, 2019 Report Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 1:11 AM, shrader said: That’s exactly how the so called three way deal works. It’s actually a series of trades. Expand Hoffman was traded twice. That’s not how a three way trade works. Quote
jame Posted February 13, 2019 Report Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 1:16 AM, IrwinNelson said: Hoffman was traded twice. That’s not how a three way trade works. Expand That’s because technically a 3 way trade is not “legal”. Per the CBA a trade can only involve two teams, which is why a 3 way is really just two or more separate transactions. Quote
#freejame Posted February 13, 2019 Report Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) On 2/13/2019 at 3:18 AM, jame said: That’s because technically a 3 way trade is not “legal”. Per the CBA a trade can only involve two teams, which is why a 3 way is really just two or more separate transactions. Expand I understand all of this. But compare the Duchene trade to the Hoffman trade and they are not all that alike. In one situation (Duchene) no team had any issues dealing with the other teams they were trading with. Dorian (Ottawa/Hoffman), in all of his infinite wisdom, came out before trading Hoffman saying he wouldn’t trade within the division. Florida reached out to San Jose and asked them to acquire him, and then they would then trade for him. Like I said in my first post, it’s semantics, but the Hoffman deal most definitely isn’t a three-way deal in the truest sense of the word. Edited February 13, 2019 by IrwinNelson In fact, if you google Mike Hoffman trade, not a single reporter or article calls it a three-way deal. This is far from the case when googling any “real” three-way deal, a la Duchene Quote
jame Posted February 13, 2019 Report Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 3:52 AM, IrwinNelson said: I understand all of this. But compare the Duchene trade to the Hoffman trade and they are not all that alike. In one situation (Duchene) no team had any issues dealing with the other teams they were trading with. Dorian (Ottawa/Hoffman), in all of his infinity wisdom, came out before trading Hoffman saying he wouldn’t trade within the division. Florida reached out to San Jose and asked them to acquire him, and then they would then trade for him. Like I said in my first post, it’s semantics, but the Hoffman deal most definitely isn’t a three-way deal in the truest sense of the word. Expand You’re absolutely correct. 1 Quote
#freejame Posted February 13, 2019 Report Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 3:54 AM, jame said: You’re absolutely correct. Expand Thank you. You’re one of my favorite new posters, especially in the draft thread. Hope you keep it up, no matter how many times people try to discourage you. 1 2 Quote
jame Posted February 13, 2019 Report Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/13/2019 at 3:57 AM, IrwinNelson said: Thank you. You’re one of my favorite new posters, especially in the draft thread. Hope you keep it up, no matter how many times people try to discourage you. Expand Thank you Quote
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