Carlson or Karlsson

[sweetlou]

Age very similar.

 

Karlsson a Swede which will help Dahlin.

 

Karlsson would cost more in Cap Hit.

 

Karlsson better offensively and defensively.

 

We would have to give up players to get Karlsson, Carlson is an UFA?

 

 

Would you be willing to trade Risto, and some prospects to get Karlsson?

[WildCard]

Gonna have a hard time paying all these stars if we go after Karlsson

[Brawndo]

Neither.

[Randall Flagg]

I like John Carlson, but somebody is going to give him 8 years and 8.5 million. Ijust don't think we can do that.

[LGR4GM]

Neither

[Robviously]

Neither.

[sweetlou]

ROR for Pietrangelo?

 

Think we need a 26-28 yr old vet to help develop Risto, Dahlin and Guhle.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

ROR for Pietrangelo?

 

Think we need a 26-28 yr old vet to help develop Risto, Dahlin and Guhle.

 

Don't we have Scandella and Bogo (both 28) for that?

[sweetlou]

I think Bogo is gone

[Randall Flagg]

Don't we have Scandella and Bogo (both 28) for that?

Pietrangelo is far better than Scandella, and far, far, far, far, far, far better than Bogosian though.

 

He'd also cost more than ROR.

[sweetlou]

ROR and Pietrangelo would be a straight up trade!!!  

[bob_sauve28]

I like John Carlson, but somebody is going to give him 8 years and 8.5 million. Ijust don't think we can do that.

Exactly. He probably would only come here if we overpay

[Randall Flagg]

ROR and Pietrangelo would be a straight up trade!!!  

Nope.

Pietrangelo had 7 fewer points than ROR in 3 fewer games, as a defenseman. He's ludicrously good. He would cost ROR plus a sizable piece.

[Carmel Corn]

I think Bogo is gone

 

He won't be in the lineup for sure...more likely at the surgeon's office, or Physical Therapy, or getting fit for a cast, or passing the weeks and months with strength and conditioning staff, etc.

[calti]

does larry playfair have any sons,nephews,grandkids who play hockey?

[Radar]

Neither.

This.

[TrueBlueGED]

Trade Risto for forward help and sign Carlson. Add Mittelstadt and you have a nearly instant rebuild.

[dudacek]

Trade O’Reilly for a defenceman.

Sign Tavares and you have an instant rebuild.

[Randall Flagg]

Trade Risto for forward help and sign Carlson. Add Mittelstadt and you have a nearly instant rebuild.

I was just going to say that I like this idea better than the one that dudacek eloquently summed up. 

 

It's actually eerie how similar they are. I will say, you're not hurting your team as much giving up Risto, but Carlson doesn't add as much as Tavares does. They're the perfect mirrored situations.

 

I like ROR better than Risto, but ROR will be 32 when Dahlin is 22, and who sees Dahlin being a Norris winner before age 22? 

Such an interesting discussion.

[Crusader1969]

I think we have to remember players can sign anywhere we want.

 

Yesterday was a huge step forward but Dahlin is still only 18 and I don't think that alone will attract free agents.  Unless, the player has another reason to come to Buffalo, they are still a last place club.

 

My odds of signing a guy like Tavares went from 1% chance pre lottery to 10% post. still extremely unlikely he will want to play here.

 

Same with the defencemen. Also Karlsson is going to cost a ton, didn't we all just complain about Murray giving away the farm for Kane and ROR?

[Rasmus_]

Neither, draft and develop.  If you really want to go all in on defense, trade back up into the first round to procure someone like McIsaac, Wilde, Woo, or someone in the middle to tail end of the first round that you feel is a good fit.  Develop them properly.  The only way you're signing Karlsson or Carlson is if you've traded O'Reilly and possibly Okposo, or you've bought out Bogosian. 

Edited April 30, 2018 by TheCerebral1

[Randall Flagg]

For me it's not about the expectation that anyone would or could come here. It's about the newfound roster freedom relative to what we had 24 hours ago, and the renewed excitement I feel when I think about possibilities for next season, when it was at a lifetime-low for me just yesterday.

[TrueBlueGED]

Neither, draft and develop.  If you really want to go all in on defense, trade back up into the second round to procure someone like McIsaac, Wilde, Woo, or someone in the middle to tail end of the first round that you feel is a good fit.  Develop them properly.  The only way you're signing Karlsson or Carlson is if you've traded O'Reilly and possibly Okposo, or you've bought out Bogosian. 

 

I don't know about that one. We're going to have $18 million in cap space this year to work with. Even if you use, say, 7.5 of that on Carlson, that's a lot of money left over. We're getting a couple defensemen on ELCs to fill roster space, plus Mittelstadt and I'm sure at least a couple of the Rochester kids as depth pieces among forwards. Johnson and Lehner took up $6.5 million this year...next year it'll be Ullmark and somebody else for probably half that. Then next year we have Moulson and Pominville off the books. It's definitely doable, I think.

Trade O’Reilly for a defenceman.

Sign Tavares and you have an instant rebuild.

 

Like Flagg, I think it's an interesting discussion on which piece to move out. Realistically, I think we could lure Carlson here with money; I don't think the same could be said for Tavares.

[Jävə Keith]

does larry playfair have any sons,nephews,grandkids who play hockey?

THIS!

[CallawaySabres]

Trade O’Reilly for a defenceman.

Sign Tavares and you have an instant rebuild.

This is exactly what I was telling people today, can you imagine?!