Dahlin -> Major Rebuild?

[LGR4GM]

Am i the only one who doesn't want ROR traded? can we just get away from the "sign" Tavares posts - why would he come to a last place team? 

No, there are tons of posters who have said "I don't want him traded unless someone overpays"

[Crusader1969]

No, there are tons of posters who have said "I don't want him traded unless someone overpays"

 

In a year, if/when Mittelstadt is ready for 2nd line minutes and Asplund looks like ROR version 2.0, then lets talk. 

 

If the Sabres are sellers at the Trade deadline, maybe then but not before.

[LGR4GM]

In a year, if/when Mittelstadt is ready for 2nd line minutes and Asplund looks like ROR version 2.0, then lets talk. 

 

If the Sabres are sellers at the Trade deadline, maybe then but not before.

That's not a trade deadline deal. That's a summer deal. 

[Randall Flagg]

I won't try to quote everyone...

 

The statement was "tearing the team down to the studs".

 

There are 20 players on the bench.  How many of them are the "studs" on ANY team?

 

The players who aren't the studs are the drywall it would seem.  There's more drywall than studs in any build.  I don't think it's as extreme as Friedman makes it out to be.

 

The players who are the "studs": Eichel, Reinhart, ROR, Mittlestadt, Okposo, Ristolainen, Scandella, McCabe"  Eight players of 20... the remaining 12 are open to be drywall.  You remove any more of those studs and the house falls down.

 

Now, it might require moving ROR and Bogosian to get him off the books.  Hopefully the team gets the right player back in return.  Perhaps, if Okposo isn't on the list you'll need to bundle him with someone like Ristolainen to get the salary dump.  However, it won't be easy.

 

Pominville and Moulson just need to get buried again.  The cap space isn't required yet and they're gone after next year.

 

The only way this entire plan changes is if they are going in on major UFAs this season and they need to move people out.  (ie. Sign Tavares if he's available and then move ROR and Bogosian, etc.)

Interestingly, I would look at this team and define studs as: Eichel, ROR, and Risto just because you have to, not because he deserves the status

 

Maybe:Reinhart, Casey

 

drywall, but not studs: Scandella

 

The rest: I wouldn't care if they were blasted into the sun

[Crusader1969]

probably you are right, he will still have lots of value next summer. Maybe even more, if he has another decent year and doesn't pout too much.

[Stoner]

Interestingly, I would look at this team and define studs as: Eichel, ROR, and Risto just because you have to, not because he deserves the status

 

Maybe:Reinhart, Casey

 

drywall, but not studs: Scandella

 

The rest: I wouldn't care if they were blasted into the sun

I still say Larsson could be a trowel that is duct-taped together. You need those. He's good on the dot, kills penalties and has an edge (sometimes). If he's healthy, and if he isn't a mental basket case after years in Buffalo, I say he should stick around.

[darksabre]

I still say Larsson could be a trowel that is duct-taped together. You need those. He's good on the dot, kills penalties and has an edge (sometimes). If he's healthy, and if he isn't a mental basket case after years in Buffalo, I say he should stick around.

I didn't have a big problem with him this year like some did. I'm completely indifferent on Johan.

[Randall Flagg]

I still say Larsson could be a trowel that is duct-taped together. You need those. He's good on the dot, kills penalties and has an edge (sometimes). If he's healthy, and if he isn't a mental basket case after years in Buffalo, I say he should stick around.

I'd be cool with a defensive line built with, say, Calvert- Larsson - Letestu, to use names I mentioned elsewhere (or maybe in this thread, I can't remember). 

 

Pouliot - Larsson - Nolan, not so much.

[LTS]

Am i the only one who doesn't want ROR traded? can we just get away from the "sign" Tavares posts - why would he come to a last place team? 

 

If you have to move a salary then ROR is an attractive piece to another team such that they may take on Bogosian's salary.  I don't want ROR traded.

 

As for the Tavares comment, I said, if he's available.  As for assuming he doesn't want to come to a last place team... I can't answer that, you can't answer that.  The point is, to all of what i said, is that if that were to happen I would think that the Sabres would then look to move ROR.

 

Interestingly, I would look at this team and define studs as: Eichel, ROR, and Risto just because you have to, not because he deserves the status

 

Maybe:Reinhart, Casey

 

drywall, but not studs: Scandella

 

The rest: I wouldn't care if they were blasted into the sun

 

I think Scandella was brought in here to do exactly what he did.  It makes him a core piece of how this team will be built.  He was targeted by this GM.  The same with Mittlestadt.  Reinhart I could see but truthfully they aren't moving Reinhart and getting back anything better for him.

[dudacek]

I like Johan as a fourth-line Centre, so long as his wingers are faster and he’s never better than our 10th best forward.

 

Our problem isn’t Johan so much, as it is too many Johan’s.

[pi2000]

Folks defending Larsson... my God... watch the Knights 4th line, or Boston's, or any other team for that matter. Larsson is not an NHL player. He doesn't score, can't pass, has no offensive awareness, can't handle the puck. Everybody says he's a pest, big deal, I could be a pest out there too and put up better numbers by accident.

[LGR4GM]

Larsson is slow. I don't want slow. Give me a fast hard checking 4th line.

[WildCard]

Folks defending Larsson... my God... watch the Knights 4th line, or Boston's, or any other team for that matter. Larsson is not an NHL player. He doesn't score, can't pass, has no offensive awareness, can't handle the puck. Everybody says he's a pest, big deal, I could be a pest out there too and put up better numbers by accident.

100%. The guy had 17pts last season, and averages 15pts a year. He's pathetic. Be better than Johan Larsson

Larsson is slow. I don't want slow. Give me a fast hard checking 4th line.

Not to mention I just don't like him

Edited April 26, 2018 by Jokertecken

[LGR4GM]

15 pts on the 4th line while adding 0 else. Yea, bye.

[GASabresIUFAN]

The Foundation of the team is the goalie, top 3 center and top 3 D. How many of these guys do we have?

 

Goalie: Ullmark? Not sure

Defense: Ristolainen. Scandella is to old to be part of the foundation long term

Centers: Eichel, ROR and Mittelstadt for now. The development of Mittelstadt and Asplund or someone else should help us move on from ROR long term.

 

Most everyone else should be changeable. I accept that a top line winger could be looked at as a foundation piece. Sam might for this category.

Edited April 26, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN

[Sabre1974]

talking about a 4th line i would be happy with Bailey-Erod-Baptiste

[Thorner]

Folks defending Larsson... my God... watch the Knights 4th line, or Boston's, or any other team for that matter. Larsson is not an NHL player. He doesn't score, can't pass, has no offensive awareness, can't handle the puck. Everybody says he's a pest, big deal, I could be a pest out there too and put up better numbers by accident.

  

100%. The guy had 17pts last season, and averages 15pts a year. He's pathetic. Be better than Johan Larsson

 

Not to mention I just don't like him

He was also a minus 30. I don’t think there’s space for even one Johan Larsson level player on a good team.

 

The Foundation of the team is the goalie, top 3 center and top 3 D. How many of these guys do we have?

Goalie: Ullmark? Not sure

Defense: Ristolainen. Scandella is to old to be part of the foundation long term

Centers: Eichel, ROR and Mittelstadt for now. The development of Mittelstadt and Asplund or someone else should help us move on from ROR long term.

Most everyone else should be changeable. I accept that a top line winger could be looked at as a foundation piece. Sam might for this category.

There’s a little too much of this “oh we’ll just trade ROR later” going on. His trade value probably goes down the older he gets, and they say it’s always better to trade someone too soon than too late.

 

I’m in the camp that says it makes sense to keep ROR (though I’m not sure we will), but there’s no guarantee his value will be what it is now, if they wait.

[Stoner]

I like Johan as a fourth-line Centre, so long as his wingers are faster and he’s never better than our 10th best forward.

 

Our problem isn’t Johan so much, as it is too many Johan’s.

I saw them at Darien Lake in '04. I was so messed up on cotton candy I don't remember a thing to this day.

[GASabresIUFAN]

He was also a minus 30. I don’t think there’s space for even one Johan Larsson level player on a good team.

 

There’s a little too much of this “oh we’ll just trade ROR later” going on. His trade value probably goes down the older he gets, and they say it’s always better to trade someone too soon than too late.

I’m in the camp that says it makes sense to keep ROR (though I’m not sure we will), but there’s no guarantee his value will be what it is now, if they wait.

True, but I’m not talking about 5 years from now. Depending on Mittelstadt’s development, we could be talking about trading ROR more seriously next summer. If ROR has another solid year, I doubt his value would be significantly different then this summer. A different story once he reaches 30. He also may never be traded. If Casey and Asplund develop, then ROR can also move to LW.

[Thorner]

I just think, from everything we’ve heard, Botterill is looking to make a major shakeup. It’s hard to guess who it will be, but one of the “big names” is going to get moved, and it’ll probably surprise people.

[pi2000]

True, but I’m not talking about 5 years from now. Depending on Mittelstadt’s development, we could be talking about trading ROR more seriously next summer. If ROR has another solid year, I doubt his value would be significantly different then this summer. A different story once he reaches 30. He also may never be traded. If Casey and Asplund develop, then ROR can also move to LW.

How about we launch guys like Larsson, Pouliot, Girgensons, Nolan, etc... before we start talking about moving ROR. I don't understand how trading ROR will make the Larsson and Girgensons more productive.

[etiennep99]

Artturi Lehkonen is what Larsson should be.  Hockey IQ.  Decent skater.  Hard on the puck.  Can score. Plays defence.

He's not going to save a team (see Canadiens, Montreal), but he is the kind of guy we need who shows determination.

Claude Julien loved the guy, at least last year.   Paul Hamilton thinks that we have a lot of dumb players. Here's a

quotation from an interesting article.

 

 

The play would eventually result in a goal – Lehkonen's second of the playoffs, which jointly leads the team with Alex Radulov – and showed why Habs coach Claude Julien has compared the heady young winger to Loui Eriksson of the Vancouver Canucks, a one-time 36-goal scorer in the NHL.

"A smart, smart player, he just has that personality, not much fazes him," Julien said. "He just goes about his business."

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/flying-finn-artturi-lehkonen-a-pleasant-surprise-for-habs/article34788227/

 

[Weave]

Larsson is a kinder, gentler Vaclav Varada with worse hands.  He's barely an NHL'er.

[Thorner]

Larsson is a kinder, gentler Vaclav Varada with worse hands.  He's barely an NHL'er.

I remember it used to be said by on-air personalities that it looked like Varada had a face that had been taken to by a weed-whacker.

 

Good times.

[Taro T]

I remember it used to be said by on-air personalities that it looked like Varada had a face that had been taken to by a weed-whacker.

Good times.

AKA Varadastein. :lol: