OT: Fixing College Hoops

[GASabresIUFAN]

Lets face it, the NCAA like the IOC, is a hypocritical, greedy and corrupt organization. Not a surprise given the amount of money that flows through it. The coaches, schools, businesses and summer leagues are equally guilty.

 

I also understand that Football, and to a lesser extent men’s basketball pay for all the other sports (men's and womens) at the schools, creating opportunity for thousands of athletes to get an education and play their sports.

 

The corruption revealed by the FBI probe is just opening a window of the mess that is big time college sports that has been going on for decades. Just ask Kentucky basketball.

 

For basketball there is a reasonable fix that should help. The NBA needs to make the D-league a true developmental/minor league. They also need to draft kids, like the NHL, from 18 to 20. Drafted kids can still go to college and the NBA team holds their rights for as long as they are in school. Kids who want to go directly into pro ball, can immediately go to the D league or the NBA instead of college. Each D league contract must include a trust for the player to pay for college.

 

I understand that this will make recruiting and maintaining a college roster harder. However, it will also allow kids to stay in school longer and develop while getting their education. In the long-term it might just make both the NBA and college game better as the players in both leagues end up older, more physically and skill developed.

 

Some critics will argue that this will kill college basketball. I will disagree. There will certainly be an adjustment period. However College hockey continues to grow and more players in the NHL have college pedigrees, despite great developmental options like the CHL.

Edited February 25, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN

[Taro T]

Not really a comment on the status of college hoops & whether it's fixed/corrupt/etc. Wifey follows that far closer than I.

 

But, at least through the early 90's, there was one other college sport that generated revenue - hockey. Assume it still is in the black (especially w/ the proliferation of D1 teams in the past 20 years) but haven't looked for stats to confirm it.

[North Buffalo]

Generating Revenue and being in the black are two different things in college sports. Read College Sports Inc by Mo Sperber. A little dated but things have gotten worrse not better. College Sports are revenue suckers not program providers..

[Sabel79]

Shut it down. Prosecute everyone involved.

[Taro T]

Generating Revenue and being in the black are two different things in college sports. Read College Sports Inc by Mo Sperber. A little dated but things have gotten worrse not better. College Sports are revenue suckers not program providers..[/b]

Back in the early '90's, college hockey was a net revenue generator. That means it was in the black.

 

Don't know if that is still the case or not. Expect it still is the case due to both the proliferation of televised college hockey & the proliferation of college hickey teams.

Edited February 25, 2018 by Taro T

[Eleven]

Generating Revenue and being in the black are two different things in college sports. Read College Sports Inc by Mo Sperber. A little dated but things have gotten worrse not better. College Sports are revenue suckers not program providers..

 

UB loses about 25 million on football annually.  If they closed down that program and REALLY focused on basketball, like schools like Villanova, Georgetown, etc. do, it could be a powerhouse.

 

(I don't see it becoming a hockey powerhouse.  It's a much, much more expensive sport to run.)

[inkman]

Shut it down. Prosecute everyone involved.

There probably wouldn't be any coaches or teams left. My problem with this probe is that it's not all encompassing. Maybe there is value in punishing the few programs targeted, and that what they were, but this goes on at almost every single school. Punishing the ones who got caught just makes me think they'll just try harder to not get caught.

Edited February 25, 2018 by inkman

[Sabel79]

There probably wouldn't be any coaches or teams left. My problem with this probe is that it's not all encompassing. Maybe there is value in punishing the few programs targeted, and that what they were, but this goes on at almost every single school. Punishing the ones who got caught just makes me think they'll just try harder to not get caught.

That’s entirely the point. I can tell you some stories from my time at Bonaventure, and that was a few years before they got busted. I’m sure it just gets exponentially worse going up the ladder.

 

It needs to stop. It’s no longer even tangentially related to the purpose of the schools hosting the parasites that athletic departments in general have become. Shut it all down.

 

I do, of course, realize this’ll never happen...

[North Buffalo]

Back in the early '90's, college hockey was a net revenue generator. That means it was in the black.

 

Don't know if that is still the case or not. Expect it still is the case due to both the proliferation of televised college hockey & the proliferation of college hickey teams.

That is a big lie read the book only 2 schools made money from athletic programs... ND and I think Temple. The rest cooked books and stole money from their schools fees and library funds... read the book.

[Taro T]

That is a big lie read the book only 2 schools made money from athletic programs... ND and I think Temple. The rest cooked books and stole money from their schools fees and library funds... read the book.

Didn't say that the athletic programs were in the black overall, just that hockey was.

 

Not going to read the book because the subject simply isn't interesting IMHO. Can't even find the time right now to read Dryden's 'Game Change' which IS of interest.

[North Buffalo]

Sorry misunderstood...

Not sure about hockey book was mostly about football and bb. Id have to check.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

I have not read the thread, but I believe most, if not all, of the games are fixed.

[inkman]

I have not read the thread, but I believe most, if not all, of the games are fixed.

The thread is about paying players.

[matter2003]

Not really a comment on the status of college hoops & whether it's fixed/corrupt/etc. Wifey follows that far closer than I.

 

But, at least through the early 90's, there was one other college sport that generated revenue - hockey. Assume it still is in the black (especially w/ the proliferation of D1 teams in the past 20 years) but haven't looked for stats to confirm it.

 

Depends what schools we are talking about.  At major football schools the amount of money generated by football alone is multiple times the amount of money generated from all other sports combined...sometimes 20-30 times more.

[Sabel79]

Depends what schools we are talking about.  At major football schools the amount of money generated by football alone is multiple times the amount of money generated from all other sports combined...sometimes 20-30 times more.

How much of it ever leaves the football program bough? In what way does any of this benefit the actual schools?

[Taro T]

Depends what schools we are talking about.  At major football schools the amount of money generated by football alone is multiple times the amount of money generated from all other sports combined...sometimes 20-30 times more.

True. But for the vast majority of schools, football is a money hole.

[North Buffalo]

How much of it ever leaves the football program bough? In what way does any of this benefit the actual schools?

And there is the rub money never reaches theschool..,

[Sabres Fan in NS]

The thread is about paying players.

 

OK.

 

I stand by my point, though, eh.