LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2018 Report Posted February 20, 2018 Pro Football Focus tells me this: Jackson 8.0% Rosen 7.3% Mayfield: 6.1% Allen 4.8% Darnold: 4.6% Rudolph 4.5% There we go. I was wrong it was 8%, I think I may have said 11% Quote
JujuFish Posted February 20, 2018 Report Posted February 20, 2018 There we go. I was wrong it was 8%, I think I may have said 11% I think those stats are incomplete. It looks like the info I got that from was done before the 2017 season. Quote
sabills Posted February 20, 2018 Report Posted February 20, 2018 please let the Jets way overpay Kirk Cousins https://nypost.com/2018/02/19/60m-in-1st-year-jets-set-to-creatively-pounce-on-kirk-cousins/ Quote
LGR4GM Posted February 20, 2018 Report Posted February 20, 2018 In round two, I am taking Sony Michele, he's worth it. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 Pretty fun article on Jackson: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/20/16928908/lamar-jackson-quarterback-wide-receiver Quote
That Aud Smell Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 ^ How does Lamar Jackson project, then, in terms of upside? At the risk of being ray-cess: Cam Newton? Cam Newton Lite? I say that because Jackson looks like he'll be a big fella who can chuck it from the pocket, isn't terribly accurate maybe, and can run like a mofo. Quote
Stoner Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 Ray-cess. lol. Being just a little racist-y? I couldn't believe John Vogl used the phrase "megawatt smile" to describe Evander Kane today. Felser did the same thing with Bruce Smith. I seem to remember a bit of blowback for Larry on that one. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 ^ How does Lamar Jackson project, then, in terms of upside? At the risk of being ray-cess: Cam Newton? Cam Newton Lite? I say that because Jackson looks like he'll be a big fella who can chuck it from the pocket, isn't terribly accurate maybe, and can run like a mofo. I think he's pretty similar to Newton (who also isn't the most accurate passer in the world, yet we'd all love to have) except his running is more elusive, whereas Cam's is more power. Quote
That Aud Smell Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 Ray-cess. lol. Being just a little racist-y? I couldn't believe John Vogl used the phrase "megawatt smile" to describe Evander Kane today. Felser did the same thing with Bruce Smith. I seem to remember a bit of blowback for Larry on that one. Missed that one. I definitely take the view that the only people truly deceiving themselves with regard to racism are those who deny that they are. It's like a 12-step program, man. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 I think he's pretty similar to Newton (who also isn't the most accurate passer in the world, yet we'd all love to have) except his running is more elusive, whereas Cam's is more power. Cam Newton has taken bigger hits than most WRs/RBs I've ever seen play, I can't believe that guy can still walk in a straight line. And yes, I'd love to have him. And I'm assuming you mean stylistically, because Cam was a no-brainer 1st overall, probably the most aside from Luck since Manning, no? Quote
Drunkard Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 Cam Newton has taken bigger hits than most WRs/RBs I've ever seen play, I can't believe that guy can still walk in a straight line. And yes, I'd love to have him. And I'm assuming you mean stylistically, because Cam was a no-brainer 1st overall, probably the most aside from Luck since Manning, no? He was considered high risk, high reward with boom or bust potential, mostly because he hardly played with the Gators so he really only had one year of tape when he played his National Championship season with Auburn. Of course it worked out well for Carolina, but at the time it wasn't quite the no brainer that it appears to be now (with the benefit of hindsight). Quote
PalmTreeMafia Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 Missed that one. I definitely take the view that the only people truly deceiving themselves with regard to racism are those who deny that they are. It's like a 12-step program, man. Doesn't "megawatt smile" just mean someone who has a big smile that lights up the room? Why is that considered racist? Regarding Lamar Jackson: Michael Vick has stated that Jackson is the closest player he has ever seen to himself, more so than Newton or any other mobile QB. I realize that Michael Vick isn't an NFL scout, but it does give pause as to why such a talent like Jackson isn't considered with the big 4 of Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, and Allen. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 He was considered high risk, high reward with boom or bust potential, mostly because he hardly played with the Gators so he really only had one year of tape when he played his National Championship season with Auburn. Of course it worked out well for Carolina, but at the time it wasn't quite the no brainer that it appears to be now (with the benefit of hindsight). I believe it, I didn't pay attention to the draft back then. #StillwantnothingtodowithLamar Doesn't "megawatt smile" just mean someone who has a big smile that lights up the room? Why is that considered racist? Regarding Lamar Jackson: Michael Vick has stated that Jackson is the closest player he has ever seen to himself, more so than Newton or any other mobile QB. I realize that Michael Vick isn't an NFL scout, but it does give pause as to why such a talent like Jackson isn't considered with the big 4 of Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, and Allen. Because no qb has ever had such pronounced issues with accuracy and gone on to fix them at a level with exponentially higher difficulty, faster linebackers, more complicated defenses, less time etc. Quote
PalmTreeMafia Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) I believe it, I didn't pay attention to the draft back then. #StillwantnothingtodowithLamar Because no qb has ever had such pronounced issues with accuracy and gone on to fix them at a level with exponentially higher difficulty, faster linebackers, more complicated defenses, less time etc. Fair enough. I didn't know Jackson's accuracy was considered so poor. At the moment, Mayfield is my #1 choice for QB. But I wouldn't trade into the top 5-10 for him. Edited February 22, 2018 by FuhrUrsinne Quote
Gramps Posted February 22, 2018 Report Posted February 22, 2018 I believe it, I didn't pay attention to the draft back then. #StillwantnothingtodowithLamar Because no qb has ever had such pronounced issues with accuracy and gone on to fix them at a level with exponentially higher difficulty, faster linebackers, more complicated defenses, less time etc. Agreed - Newton completed 66% of his passes, 30 TDs, and only 7 INTs his lone year at Auburn playing in the much tougher conference than Jackson. Cam was a no-brainer at #1 whereas no one sees Jackson as a #1. Quote
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TrueBlueGED Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Doesn't "megawatt smile" just mean someone who has a big smile that lights up the room? Why is that considered racist? Regarding Lamar Jackson: Michael Vick has stated that Jackson is the closest player he has ever seen to himself, more so than Newton or any other mobile QB. I realize that Michael Vick isn't an NFL scout, but it does give pause as to why such a talent like Jackson isn't considered with the big 4 of Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, and Allen. Pretty sure it came about because of the contrast between bright white teeth and dark skin; it was only used to describe a black person with a great smile. I believe it, I didn't pay attention to the draft back then. #StillwantnothingtodowithLamar Because no qb has ever had such pronounced issues with accuracy and gone on to fix them at a level with exponentially higher difficulty, faster linebackers, more complicated defenses, less time etc. Regarding Jackson, one of us is going to look like a buffoon a year from now :lol: Agreed - Newton completed 66% of his passes, 30 TDs, and only 7 INTs his lone year at Auburn playing in the much tougher conference than Jackson. Cam was a no-brainer at #1 whereas no one sees Jackson as a #1. Cam was a no-brainer #1, but a lot of that is because that QB class was not well-regarded as a whole. He just didn't have much competition for the spot. There was definitely a ton of chatter about him having high bust potential and not being an NFL passer. Quote
Gramps Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Pretty sure it came about because of the contrast between bright white teeth and dark skin; it was only used to describe a black person with a great smile. Regarding Jackson, one of us is going to look like a buffoon a year from now :lol: Cam was a no-brainer #1, but a lot of that is because that QB class was not well-regarded as a whole. He just didn't have much competition for the spot. There was definitely a ton of chatter about him having high bust potential and not being an NFL passer. Gonna take more than a year to get Jackson ready. Cam would be #1 in this year's class as well - size, mobility, arm, college stats, and national championship. Quote
WildCard Posted February 23, 2018 Author Report Posted February 23, 2018 Gonna take more than a year to get Jackson ready. Cam would be #1 in this year's class as well - size, mobility, arm, college stats, and national championship. Don't think you can include his national championship if we're talking him hypothetically being in this draft class Quote
Gramps Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Don't think you can include his national championship if we're talking him hypothetically being in this draft class Lol, maybe not but the rest is enough to make him #1 Quote
Taro T Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Pretty sure it came about because of the contrast between bright white teeth and dark skin; it was only used to describe a black person with a great smile. Regarding Jackson, one of us is going to look like a buffoon a year from now :lol: Cam was a no-brainer #1, but a lot of that is because that QB class was not well-regarded as a whole. He just didn't have much competition for the spot. There was definitely a ton of chatter about him having high bust potential and not being an NFL passer. Really? Always though they said that about Farrah Fawcett as well (among other things). Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Really? Always though they said that about Farrah Fawcett as well (among other things). Hey man, I qualified it with "pretty sure" for a reason. I figured you old geezers would identify other examples :p Quote
Eleven Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Apparently Jonathan Martin is in custody after posting a picture of a gun and bullets with the names of four NFL players including Incognito. Quote
WildCard Posted February 23, 2018 Author Report Posted February 23, 2018 Apparently Jonathan Martin is in custody after posting a picture of a gun and bullets with the names of four NFL players including Incognito. Copy of the tweet https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/967130507795419136 Quote
inkman Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Apparently Jonathan Martin is in custody after posting a picture of a gun and bullets with the names of four NFL players including Incognito. Dude needs to get some help Quote
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