Buffalo Bills 2018-2019

[LGR4GM]

I disagree it is a straw man argument. If Allen was not going to play you keep McCaron and Petermen or bring in a better vet. That way Allen remains at 3rd on your depth chart and you are prepared to carry 3 QB's for the year. If you know the offense sucks you should think of every possible way to keep Allen away from it. They did almost the opposite. Teddy Bridgewater was traded for a 6th round pick. Easily better than McCarron and the bills didn't get him. They traded Tyrod (A move I liked and still do), they did not sign a veteran UFA outside of McCarron who they traded. They chose to start Peterman and assumed he could carry the load. They did not have a backup plan and now it has all gone to s#!t. 

[That Aud Smell]

The more I think about it, the more I can't believe Beane and McDermott will survive the QB debacle of 2018-2019.

[darksabre]

1 minute ago, That Aud Smell said:

Which would be absolute sh1t-ass planning. Even Allen's most fervent supporters in the punditry were unanimous in the opinion that he needed a year to learn the pro game.

I will continue to assert that McBeane are incapable of evaluating offensive talent. 

[SDS]

1 minute ago, WildCard said:

Well this is just wrong. In no universe was Allen not playing this year when you have McCarron and Peterman as backups, and you're rotating all 3 with the 1's in camp and in preseason starts

It's not wrong. Beane brought in McCarron to start. McCarron failed to take over as they expected. Unfortunately, I can't find the quote that stated as such. He flat out said, uncharacteristically for a GM, that McCarron wasn't the player they thought he was.

[SwampD]

2 hours ago, ... said:

It's a 20 second delay.

Yeah. I want to revise my answer. I was thinking TV and we use a 7 second delay which when muted, leaves a big gap in the audio for as long as the program is muted. I'm guessing that for a radio call in show, GR uses something like the Eventide that has up to an 80sec buffer and doesn't leave a gap in the audio. Sean could have said something that got cut out.

Now I'm really intrigued.

[LGR4GM]

Weird, McCarron looked exactly like the player I thought he was. Decent game manager without a lot of wow factor playing in an offense with terrible WR's. 

[SDS]

11 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Correct. If Allen was supposed to sit then why did they trade McCarron?

Easy: because they never intended for Allen to sit this season out. 

Because he got outplayed by both QBs. That wasn't the expectation. They cut their losses and moved on. 

Put another way, why would you sign McCarron and pay a $4M signing bonus and trade him for a 5th, if you didn't think there was a larger plan for him?

Added: McCarron was the two-year bridge QB while they worked with Allen. They chose him over a better QB, because they only wanted the short term bridge guy.

If they signed him to be a backup, why didn''t they keep him as a backup then?

Easy: he was never supposed to be the backup.

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2 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Yeah. I want to revise my answer. I was thinking TV and we use a 7 second delay which when muted, leaves a big gap in the audio for as long as the program is muted. I'm guessing that for a radio call in show, GR uses something like the Eventide that has up to an 80sec buffer and doesn't leave a gap in the audio. Sean could have said something that got cut out.

Now I'm really intrigued.

Me too.  Something more happened there.

[Drunkard]

7 minutes ago, SDS said:

There was never an intention to play Allen this year. You are making a straw man argument. 

Nonsense. If they didn't want Allen to play they wouldn't have gone into the year with 3 quarterbacks that have who have a combined total of 5 NFL games started between them all coming into the season.

The excuses for this joke of a franchise keep growing. No wonder fans resort to getting liquored up and jumping through tables. The owners run a billion dollar business and seem content to waste entire seasons on a piss poor product where they have no intention of competing, or so we've been told by the Process apologists.

Funny how they also seem content to charge full price despite them treating this entire season as a 16 game tryout for next year.

[North Buffalo]

5 minutes ago, SDS said:

Because he got outplayed by both QBs. That wasn't the expectation. They cut their losses and moved on. 

Put another way, why would you sign McCarron and pay a $4M signing bonus and trade him for a 5th, if you didn't think there was a larger plan for him?

Which gets back to question can McBean even evaluate offensive talent.. right now reviews are mixed... McCarron not so good.

[darksabre]

6 minutes ago, SDS said:

Because he got outplayed by both QBs. That wasn't the expectation. They cut their losses and moved on. 

Put another way, why would you sign McCarron and pay a $4M signing bonus and trade him for a 5th, if you didn't think there was a larger plan for him?

Added: McCarron was the two-year bridge QB while they worked with Allen. They chose him over a better QB, because they only wanted the short term bridge guy.

If they signed him to be a backup, why didn''t they keep him as a backup then?

Easy: he was never supposed to be the backup.

So what if he got "outplayed"? The plan, supposedly, was to develop Allen. Which means Allen was supposed to be #3 behind Peterman and McCarron regardless of whether or not both of them are trash (they are). 

They were signed to be red-shirts in a tank season. And then they decided to bail on that plan immediately and force their rookie QB in. 

So the plan was for Allen to start games. It's the only justifiable reason for getting rid of your 2 QB buffer in front of him in the lineup. 

[WildCard]

9 minutes ago, SDS said:

It's not wrong. Beane brought in McCarron to start. McCarron failed to take over as they expected. Unfortunately, I can't find the quote that stated as such. He flat out said, uncharacteristically for a GM, that McCarron wasn't the player they thought he was.

It is wrong. There are some 5 Qbs drafted in the 1st round in the last two decades that didn't start their first year. They traded away Tyrod, then traded away McCarron before the season even started, after spending most of camp given Allen even reps with the 1s, and then let Peterman start all of 1 half before putting in Allen

You can even leave all that out, and then use your rationale of Beane flat out saying something and you believing it, even when you tell me it's uncharacteristic of an NFL gm. 

In no reality was Allen not going to start this season at some point

[SDS]

1 minute ago, North Buffalo said:

Which gets back to question can McBean even evaluate offensive talent.. right now reviews are mixed... McCarron not so good.

Fair statement. Although I don't think they have tried to really go after any top tier offensive talent other than Benjamin. That was clearly a whiff. Everyone else has been an on the cheap signing to hold the team over until they dead cap money clears.

[LGR4GM]

11 minutes ago, SDS said:

Because he got outplayed by both QBs. That wasn't the expectation. They cut their losses and moved on. 

Put another way, why would you sign McCarron and pay a $4M signing bonus and trade him for a 5th, if you didn't think there was a larger plan for him?

Added: McCarron was the two-year bridge QB while they worked with Allen. They chose him over a better QB, because they only wanted the short term bridge guy.

If they signed him to be a backup, why didn''t they keep him as a backup then?

Easy: he was never supposed to be the backup.

Okay then they made mistakes at every step. McCarron, mistake. Trading him, mistake. Counting on Peterman, mistake. Feeding Allen to the wolves, mistake. Not bringing in anyone else until now, mistake. 

[SDS]

3 minutes ago, darksabre said:

So what if he got "outplayed"? The plan, supposedly, was to develop Allen. Which means Allen was supposed to be #3 behind Peterman and McCarron regardless of whether or not both of them are trash (they are). 

They were signed to be red-shirts in a tank season. And then they decided to bail on that plan immediately and force their rookie QB in. 

So the plan was for Allen to start games. It's the only justifiable reason for getting rid of your 2 QB buffer in front of him in the lineup. 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/buffalo-bills-trade-qb-aj-mccarron-to-oakland

McCarron was signed before Allen was drafted, but the Bills were all in on drafting someone. I don't know what they thought of Mayfield or Darnold. They didn't blow $4M in signing bonus money for him to be a 3rd string QB. At MINIMUM you have to concede the expectation was that he had to outplay Peterman and he didn't. 

What promises were made to AJ when signing him? Read what Joe B had to say about McCarron as training camp progressed. He wasn't living up to expectations. So, the plan changed.

[darksabre]

Just now, SDS said:

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/buffalo-bills-trade-qb-aj-mccarron-to-oakland

McCarron was signed before Allen was drafted, but the Bills were all in on drafting someone. I don't know what they thought of Mayfield or Darnold. They didn't blow $4M in signing bonus money for him to be a 3rd string QB. At MINIMUM you have to concede the expectation was that he had to outplay Peterman and he didn't. 

What promises were made to AJ when signing him? Read what Joe B had to say about McCarron as training camp progressed. He wasn't living up to expectations. So, the plan changed.

He didn't have to outplay Peterman. He didn't even have to outplay Allen. He just had to stand there and take as many sacks as possible.

[SDS]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Okay then they made mistakes at every step. McCarron, mistake. Trading him, mistake. Counting on Peterman, mistake. Feeding Allen to the wolves, mistake. Not bringing in anyone else until now, mistake. 

Trading McCarron is only a mistake if you believe they wanted to maximize the outcome of THIS season. Given all their moves and their desire to push all the dead money into this year - it is clear they are not all in on this season's record. 

[LGR4GM]

Who cares if they paid McCarron 4mil. They have so much dead cap anyways they had tons of money lying around. Drop in the bucket for some insurance but they are not smart enough to get insurance. That's a reason their offensive line is absolute trash. They need 4 offensive lineman. That's priority #1 followed by priority #2, 3 brand new WR. They need 7 new offensive starters for next season. The sad part is I think they think, they need 2 WR and 2lineman. 

1 minute ago, SDS said:

Trading McCarron is only a mistake if you believe they wanted to maximize the outcome of THIS season. Given all their moves and their desire to push all the dead money into this year - it is clear they are not all in on this season's record. 

THEN WHY START ALLEN!? 

If the season doesn't matter why even put your rookie out their to get broken. Start McCarron and Peterman and when they get broken or suck no one will care and you can literally say, Josh Allen won't start til next year so he can work on his game. 

[North Buffalo]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

There are? I have heard of possibly 2 qb's and 2 edge rushers but not about O-line guys. Who are they? I would be curious to look them up. 

It may be because of demand... depth on o-line seems weak... good write up here..http://walterfootball.com/draft2019OT.php. Was listening to ESPN or the fan the other day and that is what they were saying, but the top guy is now out...

[Drunkard]

1 minute ago, SDS said:

Trading McCarron is only a mistake if you believe they wanted to maximize the outcome of THIS season. Given all their moves and their desire to push all the dead money into this year - it is clear they are not all in on this season's record. 

I wouldn't agree with that. Allen sucks, but he's already better than both McCarron and Peterman. The Bills would be better this season with him under center, even as an unpolished rookie with a gimpy elbow. That's how bad the QB situation is for this team. Now we get to pin our hopes to Derek Anderson.

[SDS]

1 minute ago, darksabre said:

He didn't have to outplay Peterman. He didn't even have to outplay Allen. He just had to stand there and take as many sacks as possible.

I think you know that the Bills were not going to start the guy that played 3rd best throughout training camp and preseason. If that was the plan they would have done that. The reason that he is gone is that they whiffed on the signing and decided a 5th was better value than keeping him on the roster in a season they don't care about.

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, SDS said:

I think you know that the Bills were not going to start the guy that played 3rd best throughout training camp and preseason. If that was the plan they would have done that. The reason that he is gone is that they whiffed on the signing and decided a 5th was better value than keeping him on the roster in a season they don't care about.

How'd that work out for them? 

[That Aud Smell]

30 minutes ago, SDS said:

Beane brought in McCarron to start. McCarron failed to take over as they expected. 

27 minutes ago, SDS said:

Because he got outplayed by both QBs. That wasn't the expectation. 

 

15 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Okay then they made mistakes at every step. McCarron, mistake. Trading him, mistake. Counting on Peterman, mistake. Feeding Allen to the wolves, mistake. Not bringing in anyone else until now, mistake. 

7 minutes ago, darksabre said:

He didn't have to outplay Peterman. He didn't even have to outplay Allen. He just had to stand there and take as many sacks as possible.

I enjoyed this.

 

[darksabre]

3 minutes ago, SDS said:

I think you know that the Bills were not going to start the guy that played 3rd best throughout training camp and preseason. If that was the plan they would have done that. The reason that he is gone is that they whiffed on the signing and decided a 5th was better value than keeping him on the roster in a season they don't care about.

So the better option was to trade him so that you had no choice but to start your rookie QB and then get him hurt?

Sounds dumb as sh*t to me. 

[ubkev]

Bosa just bounced from Ohio State to focus on the Draft.