thewookie1 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Does O'Reilly plus a top prospect for Karlsson make sense from Ottawa's side? Before labeling me a Chewbacca, points to consider: --Ottawa can't afford to keep Karlsson, and the whole league knows it. Ottawa is not going to get everything it wants for him. --O'Reilly is a hell of a player and is under contract through 2023, as opposed to 2019 for Karlsson. --O'Reilly's actual cost--which means something to Ottawa--is less than his cap hit. That’s mean, and I doubt it would work
Eleven Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 I think if you want Karlsson here, you're talking ROR, Risto and a 2019 #1 for Karlsson and Ryan. And if I were 100% sure that Karlsson's achilles was 100% healed, I would make that trade in a heartbeat. I don't think Ottawa is going to get anything near that for him. 30 GMs know that Ottawa is desperate. Kind of like how 30 GMs know Botterill is desperate to move Kane. That’s mean, and I doubt it would work You know the reference to you was tongue-in-cheek, right?
carpandean Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 --Ottawa can't afford to keep Karlsson, and the whole league knows it. Ottawa is not going to get everything it wants for him. Unfortunately, this is flawed logic. It only works when there's just one bidder. Karlsson is an extremely valuable asset with many, many interested teams. GMs won't stop outbidding each other because of Ottawa's situation. Competition, alone, will drive his final price up.
LTS Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 I don't think Ottawa is going to get anything near that for him. 30 GMs know that Ottawa is desperate. Kind of like how 30 GMs know Botterill is desperate to move Kane. You know the reference to you was tongue-in-cheek, right? If you talk with your tongue in your cheek don't you bite your tongue?
thewookie1 Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 You know the reference to you was tongue-in-cheek, right? Yup, but the fact my early days are still that infamous is kinda funny
Brawndo Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Darren Dreger on Evander Kane on The Instigators on WGR550 said there wasn’t a lot of interest in Kane until recently
WildCard Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Darren Dreger on Evander Kane on The Instigators on WGR550 said there wasn’t a lot of interest in Kane until recently This saga needs to end already
Eleven Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) Unfortunately, this is flawed logic. It only works when there's just one bidder. Karlsson is an extremely valuable asset with many, many interested teams. GMs won't stop outbidding each other because of Ottawa's situation. Competition, alone, will drive his final price up. Fair point if we are talking offseason. If Ottawa trades him now, though, it will not get max value for him. Edited February 23, 2018 by Eleven
Brawndo Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Per Craig Custance and Travis Yost Ottawa is talking to a third team to facilitate a contender taking on Karlsson. The third team would get Bobby Ryan.
WildCard Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Per Craig Custance and Travis Yost Ottawa is talking to a third team to facilitate a contender taking on Karlsson. The third team would get Bobby Ryan. Karlsson has to be going to a West coast team, or at least one that's not in our division.
Brawndo Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 The third team has the Coyotes written all over it and they will somehow end up with extra first round pick for their troubles.
WildCard Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 The third team has the Coyotes written all over it and they will somehow end up with extra first round pick for their troubles. Yup, thinking the same. They have the room to take on Ryan
dudacek Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) Also basically said there is little to no market for most of the Sabres UFAs As it should be. Gorges will still get moved anyway. I don't think Ottawa is going to get anything near that for him. 30 GMs know that Ottawa is desperate. More truth to this some would care to admit, but, at minimum he will get what O’Reilly got, plus a real NHL player. so does VGK. I’d take a first for taking on Ryan. Edited February 23, 2018 by Mick O’Manly
Brawndo Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 I’d take a first for taking on Ryan. I would as well.
LTS Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Darren Dreger on Evander Kane on The Instigators on WGR550 said there wasn’t a lot of interest in Kane until recently Despite so many media reports saying the opposite and the fact that his own network's trade tracker had him at #1? That's really a puzzling statement. I am convinced that so many people talk about the flavor of the moment that they can't recall what they said 3 days ago.
Radar Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Despite so many media reports saying the opposite and the fact that his own network's trade tracker had him at #1? That's really a puzzling statement. I am convinced that so many people talk about the flavor of the moment that they can't recall what they said 3 days ago. I think Dreger is usually well informed. Frankly I'm willing to accept what he said and the interest in Kane has only now started to pick up. Kane's being #1 on a network trade tracker isn't relevant necessarily as to what GM's are doing or talking about. Huge gulf between sports media and what's actually happening often times.
jahnyc Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 I think he would have been traded long ago if there had been a decent offer. Seems like it is a tough market if you are trying to sell assets. I am expecting a 2nd round pick and medium quality prospect (not a top prospect).
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Brassard to the Pens for a 1st (2018), Ian Cole (Salary dump) and G Filip Gustavsson (19 yr old - a former 2nd rd pick in 2016) Brassard has 18g and 20a Looks like what we should expect for Kane.
CallawaySabres Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Brassard to the Pens for a 1st (2018), Ian Cole (Salary dump) and G Filip Gustavsson (19 yr old - a former 2nd rd pick in 2016) Brassard has 18g and 20a Looks like what we should expect for Kane. That goalie is no joke, voted best goalie in world juniors...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 That goalie is no joke, voted best goalie in world juniors... Agreed - a 1st and good prospect and a roster player (salary dump) seems about right for Kane.
Lanny Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Brassard to the Pens for a 1st (2018), Ian Cole (Salary dump) and G Filip Gustavsson (19 yr old - a former 2nd rd pick in 2016) Brassard has 18g and 20a Looks like what we should expect for Kane. Brassard is signed for another year
nfreeman Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Agreed - a 1st and good prospect and a roster player (salary dump) seems about right for Kane. That would be great, except... Brassard is signed for another year D'oh!
Radar Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 Brassard is signed for another year Exactly which makes his value greater than pure rental. That seems to being ignored by some Sabre fans. Kane's a rental and one known for getting in hot water from time to time although he's been good for awhile now.I would be surprised if we got a return equal to what Brassard fetched and he's a center to boot.
Thorner Posted February 23, 2018 Report Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) Bogo, Larrson and 2nd for Barrie? What are you smoking bro? That's a homer trade if i have ever seen one, send them our trash for their treasure. Not happening And isnt that a gross overpayment for Domi? Tavares wont come here ever. Don’t think that’s an overpayment for Domi, nevermind of the gross variety. His stats look awfully similar to Reinhart, and the “plays on a bad team” arguments apply as well. Beaulieu is terrible, Baptiste will more likely than not NOT be a long term NHLer, and a 3rd is just that. Would we trade Reinhart for Beaulieu, Baptiste and a 3rd, if those guys were on another team? Sign me up for that Domi trade. Darren Dreger on Evander Kane on The Instigators on WGR550 said there wasn’t a lot of interest in Kane until recently So they’ve been wrong for months? Or they were deliberately fabricating information to generate clicks. Sounds like the latter. So bogus. Edited February 23, 2018 by Thorny
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