PerreaultForever Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 If you go with the idea that you move a player when he is at his best should we trade Sam now? https://www.wkbw.com/sports/sabres/is-it-time-for-the-buffalo-sabres-to-trade-sam-reinhart I guess the question Botterill has to answer for himself is has Sam FINALLY come into his own and will he keep playing this way or do you not trust that and play it safe by ditching him? I'd certainly make him available and see what interest/price was out there.
Derrico Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 If you go with the idea that you move a player when he is at his best should we trade Sam now? https://www.wkbw.com/sports/sabres/is-it-time-for-the-buffalo-sabres-to-trade-sam-reinhart I guess the question Botterill has to answer for himself is has Sam FINALLY come into his own and will he keep playing this way or do you not trust that and play it safe by ditching him? I'd certainly make him available and see what interest/price was out there. I know it's not a popular opinion but if they can trade him for a similar age, high ceiling dman I'm all over it.
Radar Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 Right. Neuvirth is better than Lehner. Why would they wanna downgrade? Just my opinion but Lehner is underrated by fans. He's bad on shootouts but frankly our inability to score is a much bigger problem than our goaltending.
dudacek Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 If you think Sam is a 40-50 point player playing over his head right now and some team is willing to pay fair price for 60-point player on an entry level contract, then you make the trade. If they are offering fair price for a 40-50 player, why would you?
nfreeman Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 Well, you might think Sam is a 38-42 pt guy who disappears for long stretches, puts up numbers in garbage time, is a net negative in the defensive zone and in the locker room and will be useless in the playoffs and has hit his ceiling, or some combination of those negatives. Or you just might like the guy coming back more than you like Sam.
TrueBlueGED Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 Well, you might think Sam is a 38-42 pt guy who disappears for long stretches, puts up numbers in garbage time, is a net negative in the defensive zone and in the locker room and will be useless in the playoffs and has hit his ceiling, or some combination of those negatives. Or you just might like the guy coming back more than you like Sam. Or you frequent Sabrespace and would get some level of enjoyment from watching Dudacek's head explode :D :p
dudacek Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Or you frequent Sabrespace and would get some level of enjoyment from watching Dudacek's head explode :D :pFreeman would never do that.Unlike a a few others. ???? Edited February 15, 2018 by Mick O’Manly
dudacek Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Speaking of heads exploding, What’s Freeman going to do when he goes 10/14/24 down the stretch for career best totals of 23/30/53 and Botterill offers him $6 million a year? ???? Edited February 15, 2018 by Mick O’Manly
nfreeman Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 Speaking of heads exploding, What’s Freeman going to do when he goes 10/14/24 down the stretch for career best totals of 23/30/53 and Botterill offers him $6 million a year? Nailed it!
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 At this pace Sam is going to get his 3rd 40+ pt season in his first 3 seasons. If he gets to 45pts, just 16 pts from here, I’ll revise my offer to 3 years 12 mill.
dudacek Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 First-round picks who topped 40 points in each of their first three seasons, going back to 2005: McDavid, Eichel, Filip Forsberg, Taylor Hall, Tavares, Stamkos, Patrick Kane, Sam Gagner, Toews, Backstrom, Crosby, Kopitar If Reinhart joins them this year, that’s some pretty lofty company. Let’s hope he’s not another Sam that doesn’t fit.
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) First-round picks who topped 40 points in each of their first three seasons, going back to 2005: McDavid, Eichel, Filip Forsberg, Taylor Hall, Tavares, Stamkos, Patrick Kane, Sam Gagner, Toews, Backstrom, Crosby, Kopitar If Reinhart joins them this year, that’s some pretty lofty company. Let’s hope he’s not another Sam that doesn’t fit. Sam Gagner was and is a solid piece of secondary scoring. He isn't in the elite company of the others on the list, but a solid if unspectacular player. Do you realize he is only 28. He is injured this season, but he might make an interesting 3rd line center, but I'm not sure I want to commit 3.125 for each of the next 2 years. As to our Sam, I think with the right players and a little more maturity he is a 60 pt guy. Edited February 15, 2018 by GASabresIUFAN
LTS Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 I don't see Reinhart being moved. I think what he's bringing to the game is what we should expect from him in the future. Given the recent play of the defensive corps I would also think that Botterill is less concerned with having to move Reinhart to get a significant D piece. He should be able to do that with Kane/Lehner (either more immediate or a bit longer term from a draft pick). Moving Reinhart creates a hole in the top 6 that's not going to be filled by anyone coming in next season (no, not even Mittlestadt). There might be a UFA signing that could be signed for the top 6 but you don't need to move Reinhart to get that player. The biggest improvement has to come on the 3rd line. The Sabres need a 3rd line that can put together around 30 goals. If some of the current 3rd liners end up on the 4th line the Sabres will be in good shape.
Weave Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 I don't see Reinhart being moved. I think what he's bringing to the game is what we should expect from him in the future. Given the recent play of the defensive corps I would also think that Botterill is less concerned with having to move Reinhart to get a significant D piece. He should be able to do that with Kane/Lehner (either more immediate or a bit longer term from a draft pick). Moving Reinhart creates a hole in the top 6 that's not going to be filled by anyone coming in next season (no, not even Mittlestadt). There might be a UFA signing that could be signed for the top 6 but you don't need to move Reinhart to get that player. The biggest improvement has to come on the 3rd line. The Sabres need a 3rd line that can put together around 30 goals. If some of the current 3rd liners end up on the 4th line the Sabres will be in good shape. I agree with your thoughts re: Sam, and the 3rd line being a focus for improvement. It is why I wish we would have re-signed Gionta. But I’ll also add that they will need to focus on replacing Kane’s production every bit as much as they need to focus on the 3rd line. And that won’t be easy to do.
LTS Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 I agree with your thoughts re: Sam, and the 3rd line being a focus for improvement. It is why I wish we would have re-signed Gionta. But I’ll also add that they will need to focus on replacing Kane’s production every bit as much as they need to focus on the 3rd line. And that won’t be easy to do. I agree with you. The question is where you view Kane's production. I put him in the middle 6 category and almost view an upgrade of the 3rd line as replacing his contributions since he's been there quite a bit this season (and not producing). As a linemate to ROR and Eichel he has produced most of his offense so the hope might be that you could put someone like Nylander there and have similar results. Maybe. I think the UFA market will have opportunities. I'm not a huge fan of that path because people will tend to overpay. I'm hard pressed to see how the Islanders keep Bailey and Tavares. Assuming Tavares even gets to free agency I am pretty sure every team in the league would be looking to sign him. Soon we'll be able to focus on free agency and the draft... just need to get past that trade deadline. I haven't seen any indication that any of Fasching, Bailey, Baptiste are the replacement. They may be a good 3rd/4th line solution.
North Buffalo Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 Baptiste may make it. Hes starting to get it. They other two???
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 We have 4/6 of a top 6 at forward with long term candidates in the system in Nylander, Mittelstadt and possibly Pu and whomever we draft this year (if a forward). Long term I see (hope) guys like Baptiste, Asplund, Pu, Olofsson, Smith, Fasching and even Bailey and Wilson making up the bottom 6. I also have hope that big Z might also be in the mix. Davidsson could also develop That enough pieces for a playoff team by 2020. The question is can Jbot get us there sooner so that these kids can develop properly in a winning atmosphere.
PerreaultForever Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 Hope so. Not sure I have any hope left for Fasching though. He has been a big disappointment. 2018 ufas I think Riley Nash would be a good bottom six signing. Good competitor, good attitude.
jsb Posted February 15, 2018 Report Posted February 15, 2018 Hope so. Not sure I have any hope left for Fasching though. He has been a big disappointment. 2018 ufas I think Riley Nash would be a good bottom six signing. Good competitor, good attitude. Meh, you would have said the same thing about Nelson a month ago
Brawndo Posted February 16, 2018 Report Posted February 16, 2018 TSN Insider Trading http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-are-the-trade-flood-gates-about-to-open~1327614 Botterill willing to hold 50% of Gorges Contract to move him
inkman Posted February 16, 2018 Report Posted February 16, 2018 TSN Insider Trading http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-are-the-trade-flood-gates-about-to-open~1327614 Botterill willing to hold 50% of Gorges Contract to move him Das wut I'm talking n about. DEALS!!
PerreaultForever Posted February 16, 2018 Report Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) Meh, you would have said the same thing about Nelson a month ago Possibly. He has certainly been a pleasant surprise. Maybe Fasching will be too, but he simply seems too slow to me and lacks a real mean tenacious streak so he's kind of in the middle of neither and so I don't see a role he could fit. At this point, I think DesLaurier was better. Not sure who would want Gorges, but yes, move him, move him now! Edited February 16, 2018 by PerreaultForever
WildCard Posted February 16, 2018 Report Posted February 16, 2018 Friedman on the trade winds “it’s way more likely Erik Karlsson is in another uniform in the next 24 months.” “Yes, I would say that is way more likely,” agreed Friedman. “Now, I said and continue to say I think Erik Karlsson at certain times has been searching for reasons to stay in Ottawa. This is not a shot at Pierre Dorion with the extension. I just think as long as Melnyk is the owner it makes it tougher for him to keep Karlsson. I don’t know. I’m not expecting Karlsson to be dealt by the deadline, but you wouldn’t have to knock me over with a feather if it happened. “But I do agree with your premise. I think it’s much more likely Doughty stays than Karlsson.” https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/friedman-surveys-nhl-trade-terrain/
Derrico Posted February 16, 2018 Report Posted February 16, 2018 So when do the trades start to go down?
LGR4GM Posted February 16, 2018 Report Posted February 16, 2018 So when do the trades start to go down? I'm thinking this weekend.
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