LGR4GM Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 Lehner could return something useful from a bubble team with bad goaltending, ie the Flyers or the Islanders. I'd trade Lehner and a 3rd for Keiffer Bellows yesterday.
Brawndo Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I dont believe Kane will fetch a top level prospect. I think it’s 1st, B Level Prospect coming back I'd trade Lehner and a 3rd for Keiffer Bellows yesterday. I would be tempted to take the First for the pending Kane Deal and add Lehner for Bellows.
darksabre Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I really don't think we're getting a first for Kane. His value is lower than we think it is because I think he's a higher risk acquisition than most.
nfreeman Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I really don't think we're getting a first for Kane. His value is lower than we think it is because I think he's a higher risk acquisition than most. High risk for a playoff run? How so?
darksabre Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 High risk for a playoff run? How so? I'm not convinced Kane is plug n play production. He certainly hasn't been for this team.
pi2000 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I hope they find a way to trade Larsson and Girgensons. That would leave them with only 4 forwards under contract for next season.... 5 counting Rodrigues, who I think belongs in Rochester.
LGR4GM Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I hope they find a way to trade Larsson and Girgensons. That would leave them with only 4 forwards under contract for next season.... 5 counting Rodrigues, who I think belongs in Rochester. If you want some extra 3rd or 4th round picks then you can absolutely trade them.
Doohicksie Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) I don't think a playoff team would need Kane to score a lot of goals per se, but the might need him for toughness on a scoring line without sacrificing the scoring prowess of the line. Look what he brings: Experienced but still has good speed (so would help the Bruins per the Hockey News blurb above), physical presence on a scoring line with pretty good scoring ability to help the Pens softee top lines. We depend on him for scoring, but other teams are not so desperate for scoring. He can skate on a top line and not be out of place, but brings experience and toughness. Edited January 10, 2018 by Anordning
Brawndo Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 More from LeBrun LeBrun followed up on his Tuesday Kane segment with a Wednesday Leafs Lunch radio hit on Toronto’s TSN 1050. The Insider was asked if Kane was the biggest name he was confident would move before the trade deadline. “Yeah, no question,” responded LeBrun. “I talked about it on Insider Trading last night, but the price has been established. The Sabres would like to get a first-round pick, a prospect, and potentially a conditional pick for Evander Kane – a pretty big package. The conditional pick, of course, depends on whether that team who gets him re-signs him. “And that’s a comparable package, over the last couple of years, to some of the rental deals that involved Andrew Ladd a couple of years ago – went from Winnipeg to Chicago. That deal included a first and a prospect. Martin Hanzal last year going from Arizona to Minnesota, that deal included a first – I can’t remember, I think a prospect too. “So I think Jason Botterill, the GM of the Sabres, has let it be known to team calling that’s the price. It’s a high price. But I think it’s the right thing to do if you’re Jason Botterill because there’s still lots of time before February 26 and he’s probably going to be the best rental forward available. Maybe not the best forward available, but the best rental forward available if you catch my drift. “So in terms of pending UFAs, I think it’ll be hard to beat Evander Kane in terms of if you’re looking for a winger who can pot you some goals, and he’s done that for the Sabres this year. He’s having a good year.” An incident at Sabres practice earlier that day was brought up to LeBrun, to which the Insider pointed out “stuff happens in practice” and noted what happened between Joe Morrow and Andrew Shaw with the Montreal Canadiens before Christmas. Leafs Lunch host Andi Petrillo recalled Kane’s perceived reputation of “being that selfish, self-serving kind of player.” “I will tell you this,” interjected LeBrun. “I’m not going to go over every single thing that’s ever happened over the years and we know the big story out of Winnipeg before he got dealt, but all I can tell you in the here and now is that the Sabres have really been pleased with the way he’s played this year. That under Phil Housley – and there seems to be a connection there – that he’s played his best hockey. “Now a cynic might say it’s also his contract year. But whatever the case is, the fact that he is a rental is probably what makes him the most attractive. Because if you’re a team that has concerns about his past behavior, it’s not like you’re trading for him to play for you for the next 10 years. You’re trading for him for two months. “So you need goals and there he is, and if you don’t like the way he fits then you say goodbye at the end of the year. But if you actually like the way he fits, then maybe you sign him. “As another GM said to me who’s looking at him, it’s a good test driving option.” To be fair to Kane in terms of the ‘contract year cynic’ argument, he did have 28 goals last season too. Kane had 43 points overall last season though, and this year he’s already accumulated 35 points.
Taro T Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I'm not convinced Kane is plug n play production. He certainly hasn't been for this team. Kane shouldn't be plugged into a team's top line. But if you do what the Pens did w/ Kessel & put him on the 3rd line, you now likely have (we're expecting he'd go to a contender, most already have 2 good lines) 3 lines that each can score & create chances. At least 1 of those lines has to get good matchups.
darksabre Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 Kane shouldn't be plugged into a team's top line. But if you do what the Pens did w/ Kessel & put him on the 3rd line, you now likely have (we're expecting he'd go to a contender, most already have 2 good lines) 3 lines that each can score & create chances. At least 1 of those lines has to get good matchups. I think that makes sense. I'm just not sure how much anyone will pay for it.
Taro T Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I think that makes sense. I'm just not sure how much anyone will pay for it. I'd expect Botterill gets his asking price.
SwampD Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 I'd expect Botterill gets his asking price. I think so too. He would be perfect for a third line on a contender.
Brawndo Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 If Andrew Ladd and Martin Hanzal both netted first round picks, Kane should have an easy time doing so as well.
French Collection Posted January 10, 2018 Report Posted January 10, 2018 Trade him before he gets hurt. First team to meet JBot's price gives him the time until the next Sabres game to find someone else to ante up. Git'er done!
Thorner Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) I dont believe Kane will fetch a top level prospect. I think it’s 1st, B Level Prospect coming back I would be tempted to take the First for the pending Kane Deal and add Lehner for Bellows. I really don't think we're getting a first for Kane. His value is lower than we think it is because I think he's a higher risk acquisition than most. And to memory, generally when a GM’s “Ask” is widely reported in the media, the return falls short of it. If he’s asking a 1st and an A-prospect, he probably gets a 2nd and an A-prospect, or a 1st and a B-prospect. Or maybe even a 2nd and a B-prospect. Edited January 11, 2018 by Bjorn Borg
French Collection Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 And to memory, generally when a GM’s “Ask” is widely reported in the media, the return falls short of it. If he’s asking a 1st and an A-prospect, he probably gets a 2nd and an A-prospect, or a 1st and a B-prospect. Or maybe even a 2nd and a B-prospect. Sakic took a year but he got his demand for Duchene.
Thorner Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 Sakic took a year but he got his demand for Duchene. Good call.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 Sakic took a year but he got his demand for Duchene. Unfortunately for us, Ottawa probably isn't looking to buy.
SabresBillsFan Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 If Andrew Ladd and Martin Hanzal both netted first round picks, Kane should have an easy time doing so as well. They should get at least a first rounder for him but here is my issue with this. It will be probably in the 20’s and the way the Sabres are with scouts don’t see them hitting on it. This team should be overhauling their amateur scouting so they can find players with speed and skill. This is why the Sabres are where they are because of this. Plus you get rid of a roster player to wait another 3-4 more years. How many more years you want to do this ?
Taro T Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 They should get at least a first rounder for him but here is my issue with this. It will be probably in the 20’s and the way the Sabres are with scouts don’t see them hitting on it. This team should be overhauling their amateur scouting so they can find players with speed and skill. This is why the Sabres are where they are because of this. Plus you get rid of a roster player to wait another 3-4 more years. How many more years you want to do this ######? This has been stated before but probably buried in a myriad of threads. The Sabres added scouts under Murray (kind of getting away from the full on video scouting disaster) & Botterill has made several more changes to that department. The team is not in the f###ing desert that Regier let Golisano & Quinn take us to. It's not a given that we're in the land of milk & honey but grabbing Mittelstadt & Davidsson shows the guys that are working that part of the show PROBABLY have their heads out of their arses.
Brawndo Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 To further expand on Taro's Point, most of the existing scouting staff was let go by Botterill after the draft was complete. He brought in Ryan Jankowski who most recently worked for Team Canada as Director of Player Personnel responsible for assembling their U 17 and 18 Teams. Per Charging Buffalo Bob McKenzie says teams are calling on Sam Reinhart #Sabres Re-iterated that Eichel is the only untouchable with asterisks next to ROR and Ristolainen, an offer for either would need to blow them out of the water. Team's are calling on Reinhart recognizing the Sabres want to make changes #Sabres
LGR4GM Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 I would need a first this year to move Reinhart or an A prospect. Way too much potential there still.
dudacek Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 I’d trade Reinhart if the value is that of a 45-point recent top-5 pick with upside. If the return is equivalent to a 25-point scorer, then why make the trade? Selling low is a bad idea.
TrueBlueGED Posted January 11, 2018 Report Posted January 11, 2018 I’d trade Reinhart if the value is that of a 45-point recent top-5 pick with upside. If the return is equivalent to a 25-point scorer, then why make the trade? Selling low is a bad idea. Agreed. His first two years may well be as good as he'll be, but I really don't think this season is representative of what the rest of his career will look like.
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