WildCard Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 An extention can be signed at any time by a current roster player as long as they are in the last year of their deal. If we trade for Karlsson, then he can be re-sign at any time. Frankly, acquiring Karlsson is just making the same mistakes over again. He is 27, coming off a major injury and by the time this team might be good he’ll be 30+. Stupid. But he wouldn't be in the last year of his deal until July
Thorner Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 An extention can be signed at any time by a current roster player as long as they are in the last year of their deal. If we trade for Karlsson, then he can be re-sign at any time. Frankly, acquiring Karlsson is just making the same mistakes over again. He is 27, coming off a major injury and by the time this team might be good he’ll be 30+. Stupid. Eh I dunno. If he's as good as every says he is, our team should be upgraded immensely immediately, even with the subtraction of Risto. Aren't we hoping they can contend for the playoffs next season without Karlsson? I'd think adding him would give us a decent chance to make it, depending on how Botterill handles the other trades he makes. The injury thing: people said the same about Stammer. Now look at him.
inkman Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 An extention can be signed at any time by a current roster player as long as they are in the last year of their deal. If we trade for Karlsson, then he can be re-sign at any time. Frankly, acquiring Karlsson is just making the same mistakes over again. He is 27, coming off a major injury and by the time this team might be good he’ll be 30+. Stupid. Acquiring a top 5 player in the NHL is never a bad thing.
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 This team has so many flaws getting Karlson would make us better, but not even close to a playoff team. There is no there there. We need more scoring, we need better goaltending, we need about 3-4 D, 7 better forwards etc.. Karlsson will help some of these, but may cost us more of our depth.
Thorner Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 This team has so many flaws getting Karlson would make us better, but not even close to a playoff team. There is no there there. We need more scoring, we need better goaltending, we need about 3-4 D, 7 better forwards etc.. Karlsson will help some of these, but may cost us more of our depth. In the trade proposed, one of the three pieces was an as-of-yet undrafted player. We'd only be losing one extra player in the deal. One might think Karlsson's pedigree as one of the league's best overall players would be worth it. Botterill can still go about making the trades he envisions to make the team better, whatever improvements he wants to make for next season. I think Karlsson's recent slump is really affecting viewpoints. And not without good reason. If we were talking about this at the end of last season, I wonder if anything changes.
Scottysabres Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Hmmmmmmm....Karlsson, Tavares. Can I get a YES PLEASE! for both. Only, there is no way I'm giving this years 1st or Risto in a deal for Karlsson. We have a player we could put in a package for him, and I submit my opinion on reasons why Ottawa may consider. To Ottawa Ryan O'Reilly (26 yrs old, 7.5 mil, 5 yrs) Zemgus Girgenson (23 yrs old, 1.6 mil, 1 yr, RFA) Jake McCabe (24 yrs old, 1.6 mil, 1 yr, RFA) Nick Baptiste (22 yrs old, RFA) 2019 1st rd pick 2020 1st rd pick 2019 3rd rd pick To Buffalo Erik Karlsson (27 yrs old, 6.5 mil, 1 yr) Bobby Ryan (30 yrs old, 7.25 mil, 4 yrs) Colin White (20 yrs old, 925k, 1 yr, RFA) O'Reilly and Duchene back together. Ottawa is seeking a center. Girgensons as a utility player cheap frees up Ottawa to make other deals with the players they could potentially move. McCabe as a cheap LD and is young. I believe Ottawa would like to move on from Bobby Ryan. This affords them a reasonable opportunity to do so. Colin White, while a great prospect, helps offset the overwhelming cost to Buffalo in this package, and debate it or not, that is reasonable imo given the package size. Buffalo gets Karlsson, the #1 D man they've been looking for right in prime years. He'd be a reasonable re-sign and affords "options" defense wise with other players. ROR and Bobby Ryan's contracts are a wash. Yes we lose a fantastic 2 way center, but I believe Ryan's career would flourish here in Buffalo. Maybe as Reinharts LW'er on line 2? Maybe, who knows. His contract is also a year less than ROR. White adds to an already abundant center prospect pool. There is a new sheriff in town, and he believes in developing talent, not rushing it to potential failure. This also leaves assets like Kane and Lehner Fred up for other deals, perhaps to gather in more 2018 draft assets to help off set the 19 and 20 loses in this deal. In any event, imo, this is a fairly balanced deal value wise. Thoughts? Move Pominville and, if possible, Bogosain. Sign John Tavares in the off season. Cap would be fine. Edited December 12, 2017 by Lucky E
MattPie Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Hmmmmmmm....Karlsson, Tavares. Can I get a YES PLEASE! for both. Only, there is no way I'm giving this years 1st or Risto in a deal for Karlsson. We have a player we could put in a package for him, and I submit my opinion on reasons why Ottawa may consider. To Ottawa Ryan O'Reilly (26 yrs old, 7.5 mil, 5 yrs) Zemgus Girgenson (23 yrs old, 1.6 mil, 1 yr, RFA) Jake McCabe (24 yrs old, 1.6 mil, 1 yr, RFA) Nick Baptiste (22 yrs old, RFA) 2019 1st rd pick 2020 1st rd pick 2019 3rd rd pick To Buffalo Erik Karlsson (27 yrs old, 6.5 mil, 1 yr) Bobby Ryan (30 yrs old, 7.25 mil, 4 yrs) Colin White (20 yrs old, 925k, 1 yr, RFA) O'Reilly and Duchene back together. Ottawa is seeking a center. Girgensons as a utility player cheap frees up Ottawa to make other deals with the players they could potentially move. McCabe as a cheap LD and is young. I believe Ottawa would like to move on from Bobby Ryan. This affords them a reasonable opportunity to do so. Colin White, while a great prospect, helps offset the overwhelming cost to Buffalo in this package, and debate it or not, that is reasonable imo given the package size. Buffalo gets Karlsson, the #1 D man they've been looking for right in prime years. He'd be a reasonable re-sign and affords "options" defense wise with other players. ROR and Bobby Ryan's contracts are a wash. Yes we lose a fantastic 2 way center, but I believe Ryan's career would flourish here in Buffalo. Maybe as Reinharts LW'er on line 2? Maybe, who knows. His contract is also a year less than ROR. White adds to an already abundant center prospect pool. There is a new sheriff in town, and he believes in developing talent, not rushing it to potential failure. This also leaves assets like Kane and Lehner Fred up for other deals, perhaps to gather in more 2018 draft assets to help off set the 19 and 20 loses in this deal. In any event, imo, this is a fairly balanced deal value wise. Thoughts? Move Pominville and, if possible, Bogosain. Sign John Tavares in the off season. Cap would be fine. I'm not sure that's even close to fair value. Even if you can Ryan and Ryan (ha) a wash (I'm not sure I do, B Ryan hasn't been very good this year from his stat line, and tread carefully on 30-year-old forwards with 4 year deals), I really doubt the best offer Ott'wa is going to get is "some pieces and some not-this-year picks" for Karlssssssson. Edited December 12, 2017 by MattiPaj
Scottysabres Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 I'm not sure that's even close to fair value. Even if you can Ryan and Ryan (ha) a wash (I'm not sure I do, B Ryan hasn't been very good this year from his stat line, and tread carefully on 30-year-old forwards with 4 year deals), I really doubt the best offer Ott'wa is going to get is "some pieces and some not-this-year picks" for Karlssssssson. True, I'm looking it at from an off season deal and much can happen yet.
MattPie Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 True, I'm looking it at from an off season deal and much can happen yet. Oh right, off-season deal. The Sabres still need to pony up at least their top D prospect or more liekly Risto in addition to what you've already listed.
Scottysabres Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Oh right, off-season deal. The Sabres still need to pony up at least their top D prospect or more liekly Risto in addition to what you've already listed. I would add Guhle. Risto....the right hand thing, but, if a consensus is Risto, I'd still do it. Edited December 12, 2017 by Lucky E
WildCard Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 @NicholsOnHockey McKenzie: "The talks on Evander Kane that have been going on virtually all season are intensifying and picking up." #Sabres
inkman Posted December 12, 2017 Report Posted December 12, 2017 @NicholsOnHockey McKenzie: "The talks on Evander Kane that have been going on virtually all season are intensifying and picking up." #Sabres Make it happen. Daddy wants some new toys for Christmas.
Weave Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 Make it happen. Daddy wants some new toys for Christmas. Christmas 2020?
miles Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 i would like to see andrew shaw camped in front of the opposing goalie in a sabres uniform. he was a great garbage collector in chicago, and would really help with the scoring.
WildCard Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 Are this point Andrew Shaw is just garbage
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 I’m against trading Pouliot. He is one of the few Sabres that brings it every night and what can we get for him? A 3rd? I’d like to see Jbot give him an extention for 2 years.
Thorner Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 I’m against trading Pouliot. He is one of the few Sabres that brings it every night and what can we get for him? A 3rd? I’d like to see Jbot give him an extention for 2 years. And we'll already be trading another LW in Kane.
Brawndo Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 Also from NicholsOnHockey McKenzie: Teams that are amongst the most interested in Evander Kane at this point would include #SJSharks , #stlblues, #NHLDucks and perhaps the #Flames.
R_Dudley Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 Some don't. But I think with the right coaching and management you can get kids there. An interesting fact for this discussion. According to some studies the male brain doesn’t fully mature until age 24 to 27. I too have watched this team too long without quarterback at center and the kid is only 21. I just hope we have the right coaching.
WildCard Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 It gonna be the Sharks.Anything good they'd send? I really am done with picks
darksabre Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 An interesting fact for this discussion. According to some studies the male brain doesn’t fully mature until age 24 to 27. I too have watched this team too long without quarterback at center and the kid is only 21. I just hope we have the right coaching. This is true. It's a fact that I wish the criminal justice field would pay more attention to. They've proven that men age-out of crime as they get into their late 20's. Us men just stay dumb longer. I hope Housley is the guy that get Eichel on the right track. I'd still like another respected vet player on this roster to be his mentor.
LGR4GM Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 Oh barf, Bobby Ryan a sabre. Barf all over that.
darksabre Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 Anything good they'd send? I really am done with picks They're heavy on right wing. I'd take Timo Meier.
gilbert11 Posted December 13, 2017 Report Posted December 13, 2017 Not so sure. He loves the area, and we can be very good. I don't know who would be his list of 10 no's How do you know he loves the area? There's a similar position on The Stadium Wall regarding Kirk Cousins. Someone says he likes Buffalo and has ties there. Where did that come from?
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