Training camp questions #6: who is ready to be a regular?

[dudacek]

Last year the only rookie to make the opening night roster was Hudson Fasching.

Not a single youngster was a regular all season. At 41 games Carrier came closest.

 

Bailey, Baptiste, Rodrigues and Fasching all got looks and are now third year pros, the time when many prospects make the jump. Antipin and Guhle are highly touted.

 

Spots appear to be available. Are any of them ready?

Edited September 5, 2017 by dudacek

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Antipin will make the opening night roster.

 

Fasching should.

 

I think that the others will be call ups initially, with Bailey and Baptiste very close to being regulars.

[LGR4GM]

Fully expect a RW rookie. Sadly Casey Mittlestadt plays c/lw so he'll wait a year.

[Eleven]

Bailey is ready if they don't play him on his off wing.

[LGR4GM]

Kane - Reinhart - Bailey

[Eleven]

Kane - Reinhart - Bailey

 

I love that idea.

[dudacek]

###### I love that idea.

 

Yep. Put Pominville/Okposo with ROR/Eichel and we have the makings of three good lines.

Girgensons Fasching Baptiste Moulson Pouliot can battle for the other two wing slots.

[Randall Flagg]

I predict that Baptiste is the most ready and I expect Bailey to get a lot of games too. Fasching I forget about often, so anything positive from him will be a pleasant surprise.

 

Rodrigues is a smart player but I need him to produce more to stick around.

[bob_sauve28]

So many players! I suspect that Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, Guhle and CJ will be kept in Rochester to build a winning program down there. I think that's why vets were brought in at forward. 

[LTS]

The trick to "sticking" on the regular roster is not when you are ready to be a regular, but when you are ready to be a regular and you can't be freely moved between ROC and BUF.

 

Roster flexibility is such a huge factor in this calculation for any player who is not firmly planted as a top tier player.

[dudacek]

Fasching I forget about often, so anything positive from him will be a pleasant surprise.

Possibly our most underrated prospect. Last year's injury really pushed him off the radar.

I don't ever think he will score 20 goals, but he is so good along the boards and down low.

That usually means a respectable 10-year career in the middle six.

[French Collection]

Too bad we lost Carrier due to him being a left handed shot.

 

Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching or Rodrigues may have to play their off wing.

I like Baptiste the most, probably from watching him in the OHL.

[LGR4GM]

Who cares we lost Carrier? I refuse to list all our left wing potions again.

[pi2000]

IMO they go with a veteran squad and put all the young guys in Roch (Bailey, Nylander, Fasching, Baptiste, Guhle, etc..).

[nfreeman]

It will be kinda disappointing if all of the forward kids are in Rochester on opening night and Moulson is in the lineup. 

[dudacek]

IMO they go with a veteran squad and put all the young guys in Roch (Bailey, Nylander, Fasching, Baptiste, Guhle, etc..).

Am I the only one who things that if a player hasn't "made it" by the end of his third-year pro, then his chances of doing anything significant in the NHL aren't great?

 

A big chunk of that, as LTS points out, is the fact that after three years the player becomes waiver eligible.

 

Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste and Rodrigues are hitting that do or die phase for me. I expect to see signs they can contribute this year. There are open spots up front. If they can't beat out the likes of Moulson and Deslauriers for a regular shift, I'm ready to move on.

Edited September 5, 2017 by dudacek

[Eleven]

Am I the only one who things that if a player hasn't "made it" by the end of his third-year pro, then his chances of doing anything significant in the NHL aren't great?

 

A big chunk of that, as LTS points out, is the fact that after three years the player becomes waiver eligible.

 

Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste and Rodrigues are hitting that do or die phase for me. I expect to see signs they can contribute this year. There are open spots up front. If they can't beat out the likes of Moulson and Deslauriers for a regular shift, I'm ready to move on.

 

Hopefully Housley will not feel compelled to keep Moulson in the lineup merely because of his paycheck.

[Weave]

Am I the only one who things that if a player hasn't "made it" by the end of his third-year pro, then his chances of doing anything significant in the NHL aren't great?

 

A big chunk of that, as LTS points out, is the fact that after three years the player becomes waiver eligible.

 

Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste and Rodrigues are hitting that do or die phase for me. I expect to see signs they can contribute this year. There are open spots up front. If they can't beat out the likes of Moulson and Deslauriers for a regular shift, I'm ready to move on.

No, you aren't the only one. I have no excitement for these guys anymore.

[pi2000]

Am I the only one who things that if a player hasn't "made it" by the end of his third-year pro, then his chances of doing anything significant in the NHL aren't great?

 

A big chunk of that, as LTS points out, is the fact that after three years the player becomes waiver eligible.

 

Bailey, Fasching, Baptiste and Rodrigues are hitting that do or die phase for me. I expect to see signs they can contribute this year. There are open spots up front. If they can't beat out the likes of Moulson and Deslauriers for a regular shift, I'm ready to move on.

 

Well, JBOT has been preaching development and by development he means winning in Rochester.   None of those guys have really done anything in Rochester to this point.    Give them a season down there to grow together and build something, learn how to play the way Housley envisions and in a winning environment.    Don't put the cart before the horse.

 

Hopefully Housley will not feel compelled to keep Moulson in the lineup merely because of his paycheck.

 

He won't.  He'll feel compelled to keep him in the lineup because of his goal scoring.

 

No, you aren't the only one. I have no excitement for these guys anymore.

 

They're still too young to write off IMO.    Danny Briere bounced around in the minors for 5 years or so before he established himself in the NHL.    

[erickompositör72]

Fully expect a RW rookie. Sadly Casey Mittlestadt plays c/lw so he'll wait a year.

 

Let him light it up in Rochester, Vanek 04-05 style

 

Hopefully Housley will not feel compelled to keep Moulson in the lineup merely because of his paycheck.

 

Isn't it a little more complicated than that? (I actually don't know)... What happens to his contract if he is waived?

[Eleven]

Let him light it up in Rochester, Vanek 04-05 style

 

 

Isn't it a little more complicated than that? (I actually don't know)... What happens to his contract if he is waived?

 

I don't care if he's waived; I just don't really want him in the top 12.  If they have to keep him on the roster, fine.  It's fine to have him available to cover injuries or to give a guy a rest.

[erickompositör72]

I don't care if he's waived; I just don't really want him in the top 12.  If they have to keep him on the roster, fine.  It's fine to have him available to cover injuries or to give a guy a rest.

 

I'm actually curious what would happen to his contract if waived and 1. clearing & sent down to Roch, or 2. claimed by another team.

 

 

I don't think making him a healthy scratch every night is the right thing to do

[Eleven]

I'm actually curious what would happen to his contract if waived and 1. clearing & sent down to Roch, or 2. claimed by another team.

 

 

I don't think making him a healthy scratch every night is the right thing to do

 

If he's not one of the best 12 forwards on the team, and I'm hoping he's not, it is absolutely the right thing to do.

 

If he is sent to Rochester and unclaimed, his full salary will count against the cap.  Like Wade Redden.

[erickompositör72]

If he's not one of the best 12 forwards on the team, and I'm hoping he's not, it is absolutely the right thing to do.

 

If he is sent to Rochester and unclaimed, his full salary will count against the cap.  Like Wade Redden.

 

Ouch

 

I know hockey is a business, but wouldn't that get GMBot a bad rap, league-wide? To make a seasoned, respected veteran ride the AHL bus, just because a previous regime signed a bad contract? Wouldn't the "right" thing to do be to just buy him out?

Edited September 5, 2017 by ericcomposer72

[SwampD]

Am I the only one who things that if a player hasn't "made it" by the end of his third-year pro, then his chances of doing anything significant in the NHL aren't great?

 

A big chunk of that, as LTS points out, is the fact that after three years the player becomes waiver eligible.

 

I think it depends on the type of player they are. I guess I'm much more patient. I give em 5 or six, and that's based solely on when Briere finally broke out.