Huckleberry Posted September 12, 2017 Report Posted September 12, 2017 Off ice sure, 2 young guys why wouldn't they hang out but on ice chemistry? Don't see it. I do not see a fit there at all. I saw a good 2nd line of Kane - Samson - Bailey last year and I want it back :p
WildCard Posted September 12, 2017 Report Posted September 12, 2017 Off ice sure, 2 young guys why wouldn't they hang out but on ice chemistry? Don't see it. I do not see a fit there at all. I'd be curious if anyone else agrees with you. Personally I see it
rakish Posted September 12, 2017 Report Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) I'd be curious if anyone else agrees with you. Personally I see it I agree with everything Pokey says. On a 5-5 per 60, Eichel scores less points with Reinhart than Eichel scores otherwise, Reinhart scores less points with Eichel than Reinhart scores otherwise. Edited September 12, 2017 by rakish
LGR4GM Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 I agree with everything Pokey says. On a 5-5 per 60, Eichel scores less points with Reinhart than Eichel scores otherwise, Reinhart scores less points with Eichel than Reinhart scores otherwise. That doesn't mean we should give Reinhart + for Duchene
rakish Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) That doesn't mean we should give Reinhart + for Duchene Wait a minute, I did not say anything like that. But you gotta admit, Reinhart scoring fewer points with Eichel than without is an eyebrow raiser. Edited September 13, 2017 by rakish
dudacek Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Wait a minute, I did not say anything like that. But you gotta admit, Reinhart scoring fewer points with Eichel than without is an eyebrow raiser. Raises mine. I do see some chemistry. Then again, Jack has shown little of it with anyone so the comparables are hard to come by. And Sam seems to show it with everyone. He's just so good at finding people and spaces. Edited September 13, 2017 by dudacek
LGR4GM Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 Wait a minute, I did not say anything like that. But you gotta admit, Reinhart scoring fewer points with Eichel than without is an eyebrow raiser. Not for me. I want Sam at center.
Huckleberry Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 Wait a minute, I did not say anything like that. But you gotta admit, Reinhart scoring fewer points with Eichel than without is an eyebrow raiser. Not for me. I want Sam at center. well this , beat me to it.
WildCard Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 I agree with everything Pokey says. On a 5-5 per 60, Eichel scores less points with Reinhart than Eichel scores otherwise, Reinhart scores less points with Eichel than Reinhart scores otherwise. See the key to that is that Eichel scores less, not Reinhart. Good stats, good post
LGR4GM Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 The key is that Reinhart shouldn't be a winger.
WildCard Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 The key is that Reinhart shouldn't be a winger. Well yeah, but you would think Eichel away from Reinhart would be worse, not better. Reinhart makes sense at least, he probably plays with RoR when he's not with Jack. But Jack? If he's not playing with Reinhart, who is over there for him?
LGR4GM Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 Well yeah, but you would think Eichel away from Reinhart would be worse, not better. Reinhart makes sense at least, he probably plays with RoR when he's not with Jack. But Jack? If he's not playing with Reinhart, who is over there for him?Okposo? Bailey? Any player better at digging pucks out of the corner
WildCard Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Okposo? Bailey? Any player better at digging pucks out of the corner I really wanted Okposo to play with Jack last year, but he never did. Thinking about it now I think he's too slow, but that's besides the point Edit: WHERE THE HELL DID puckalytics GO???? Edited September 13, 2017 by WildCard
Randall Flagg Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 Edit: WHERE THE HELL DID puckalytics GO???? I had a meltdown when I saw that too
dudacek Posted September 13, 2017 Report Posted September 13, 2017 Think of all those things we rarely saw: Girgs at wing on a scoring line Girgs at wing on a checking line Eichel on O'Reillys wing O'Reilly on Eichel's wing Okposo on Eichel's wing Eichel with Rodrigues Eichel with two speedsters Kane Ennis O'Reilly Okposo on Reinhart's wing Reinhart at centre Moulson with Eichel and a fast guy All things that had worked at some time or at least seemed worth trying.
WildCard Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 “Hey guys, we’re still wondering what the hell is going on with Matt Duchene in Colorado,” noted the Insider. “I can’t excuse the possibility of Montreal having still a fair bit of interest in Duchene. Nashville told me yesterday that they haven’t talked to Colorado in quite some time – a long time, is what I was told from the Preds’ management. You look at the Columbus Blue Jackets as a potential fit for Duchene as well, but why wouldn’t Montreal still have some interest. The rumor and the connection has been there over the past several months. Well if they do still have some interest, then obviously Bergevin and the Habs have the flexibility to make that work.” The general sense has been that the Canadiens no longer have the young defensive stud that Joe Sakic seeks in exchange for Duchene since the GM dealt Mikhail Sergachev to the Tampa Bay Lightning for Jonathan Drouin , but we’ll see. Should be of no surprise that Sakic has screwed this up https://www.fanragsports.com/dreger-what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-matt-duchene-in-colorado/
SabresFanInRochester Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 Here's my thoughts: I think Buffalo has too many 3-6 defenders. If one assumes that Ristolainen and Scandella are the top pair, that leaves a log jam of 6 viable players fighting for the remaining 4 roster spots: McCabe Bogosian Antipin Beaulieu Gorges Guhle (Might not project out to a 3-6 in the future, but that's where he fits now.) NOT GOING ANYWHERE Antipin can only go back to Russia if he doesn't make the Sabres roster. I have a feeling he will land nicely on the 2nd line, and worst case scenario; they will find a place for him on the 3rd line or press box. I think Bogosian will make a very solid 2nd line defenseman. I am basing this on his past, and the fact that there is a new coach/system, and with a little depth, he will not be asked to do too much. With his contract, he is not going anywhere. VIABLE BUT NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO LEAD A TRADE I see Gorges as the 7th guy. Beaulieu should be a competent component on the 3rd pair. HAS TRADE VALUE I think Guhle put on enough of a show where they are going to want to get him up to their 2nd pairing. I don't think they will trade away this asset. After he seasons for a little bit in Rochester, he will get the call-up. I can see McCabe being part of a trade to get Duchene. He will show well under Housley and a before the trade deadline, this will go down. McCabe and either a 1st or 2nd, or a high ranked prospect not named Middlestadt, to Colorado for Duchene. I am not gaga over Duchene, but this roster needs someone else in their top 6. Duchene fills a void and although I believe McCabe is a valuable piece to Buffalo, you have to trade someone who is wanted. Again, just my two cents.
LGR4GM Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 Here's the issue with trading McCabe for Duchene. In 1-2 years the Sabres have the very real possibility of Mittelstadt, Nylander, Asplund, and an unnamed prospect being a top 6 player. The Sabres for TOP 6 defenders, not top 4 just top 6 have Guhle waiting in the wings, and that is it. There is almost no depth behind him. Trading away a 23yr old McCabe for a 26yr old Duchene when I can replace Duchene's production within in 2 years with prospects is a terrible way to build a team. We barely have defensive depth and trading any of it away is foolhardy considering the prospects we currently have.
pi2000 Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 NOT GOING ANYWHERE Antipin can only go back to Russia if he doesn't make the Sabres roster. I have a feeling he will land nicely on the 2nd line, and worst case scenario; they will find a place for him on the 3rd line or press box. I think Bogosian will make a very solid 2nd line defenseman. I am basing this on his past, and the fact that there is a new coach/system, and with a little depth, he will not be asked to do too much. With his contract, he is not going anywhere. HAS TRADE VALUE I think Guhle put on enough of a show where they are going to want to get him up to their 2nd pairing. I don't think they will trade away this asset. After he seasons for a little bit in Rochester, he will get the call-up. I can see McCabe being part of a trade to get Duchene. He will show well under Housley and a before the trade deadline, this will go down. McCabe and either a 1st or 2nd, or a high ranked prospect not named Middlestadt, to Colorado for Duchene. I think there exists a very likely scenario where Guhle outplays Antipin in camp/preseason. Antipin I just don't see having much success on a smaller ice surface where his lack of size will be a detriment in the d-zone.
SabresFanInRochester Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 Here's the issue with trading McCabe for Duchene. In 1-2 years the Sabres have the very real possibility of Mittelstadt, Nylander, Asplund, and an unnamed prospect being a top 6 player. The Sabres for TOP 6 defenders, not top 4 just top 6 have Guhle waiting in the wings, and that is it. There is almost no depth behind him. Trading away a 23yr old McCabe for a 26yr old Duchene when I can replace Duchene's production within in 2 years with prospects is a terrible way to build a team. We barely have defensive depth and trading any of it away is foolhardy considering the prospects we currently have. Your logic is sound -- not too far off from the "we cannot trade Kane because we don't have the depth" argument. But, would you be surprised if Kane was shipped off? I am not advocating trading McCabe. I love him as a player and I think he will have a good year. However, I could see it happening. I am pointing out that even though there are depth issues, there is an abundance of 2nd and 3rd line defenders. I think something will give there and it is a situation where some of that depth just can't be moved. I think there exists a very likely scenario where Guhle outplays Antipin in camp/preseason. Antipin I just don't see having much success on a smaller ice surface where his lack of size will be a detriment in the d-zone. I am excited about Guhle and I hope he outplays Antipin. There was a thread started here about how the 2018 draft class is loaded with defensive talent and a majority of those defenders are under 6'. Antipin will have to get used to smaller surface, but I see him being able to do it.
LGR4GM Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 i think Kane being traded is inevitable because i think he wants to be in Vancouver.
WildCard Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 i think Kane being traded is inevitable because i think he wants to be in Vancouver. He straight up went to them and said offer me an RFA deal
SabresFanInRochester Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 He straight up went to them and said offer me an RFA deal Hmmm, I guess I didn't know that was fact.
WildCard Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 Hmmm, I guess I didn't know that was fact. Reported by TSN guys. It was in the Kane thread but, well, that's gone
Drunkard Posted September 14, 2017 Report Posted September 14, 2017 He straight up went to them and said offer me an RFA deal Wasn't that when he was in Winnipeg though? Maybe he just hated that area or didn't like his teammates which is understandable given the track suit antics/animosity with Byfuglien. Despite that, he signed a 6 year deal with them anyway so I think the whole Vancouver angle is overblown.
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