2018 - 2019 Lineup

[Taro T]

8 minutes ago, shrader said:

And to add to that:

At the start of the league year, every player under an NHL contract counts as being with the big team.  A move needs to be made to send them to the AHL.  So it doesn't matter if a guy was in the minors at the end of the previous season.  Everything starts over.

Right.  Thanks for stating that more clearly than I had.

[Eleven]

I don't think Bailey would clear waivers at this point in his development.  Bailey might not be what Housley wants, but some coach will want him.

[dudacek]

51 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

I'd be way happy if he was better than Hasek, but I'm not counting on it. That's pretty hard to beat 

Just one cup will do it.

[jsb]

5 minutes ago, Eleven said:

I don't think Bailey would clear waivers at this point in his development.  Bailey might not be what Housley wants, but some coach will want him.

I thought that too but if someone picks him up, doesn't he have a guaranteed spot on that team's roster for the year??

Who'd do that??

Edited September 12, 2018 by jsb

[dudacek]

2 minutes ago, Eleven said:

I don't think Bailey would clear waivers at this point in his development.  Bailey might not be what Housley wants, but some coach will want him.

I think Bailey and Baptiste start the season in Buffalo unless they really struggle in camp.

Never mind the kids, I just don’t see a scenario where the Sabres keep all of Pominville, Wilson, Larsson, Sobotka, Hunwick and Beaulieu ahead of them.

[Taro T]

12 minutes ago, jsb said:

I thought that too but if someone picks him up, doesn't he have a guaranteed spot on that team's roster for the year??

Who'd do that??

His spot on another squad wouldn't be set for the year.  He could get sent down by the other team as well.  And then the Sabres could re-claim him.

[Eleven]

12 minutes ago, jsb said:

I thought that too but if someone picks him up, doesn't he have a guaranteed spot on that team's roster for the year??

Who'd do that??

I think the team picking him up could send him down but he would be subjected to waiver claims if sent down again.

Edited September 12, 2018 by Eleven

[pi2000]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

His spot on another squad wouldn't be set for the year.  He could get sent down by the other team as well.  And then the Sabres could re-claim him.

Right, but they wouldn't be allowed to trade him until after the playoffs.

....and if the Sabres reclaimed him, then he could be sent down without having to clear waivers a second time.

Edited September 12, 2018 by pi2000

[dudacek]

10 minutes ago, jsb said:

I thought that too but if someone picks him up, doesn't he have a guaranteed spot on that team's roster for the year??

Who'd do that??

A lot of teams would take a chance on a speedy athletic cheap young winger over whatever plug they have as an extra right now. Especially if they liked the player as a prospect and think they would provide a better environment

[TheAud]

33 minutes ago, Eleven said:

I don't think Bailey would clear waivers at this point in his development.  Bailey might not be what Housley wants, but some coach will want him.

I just spent a lot of time looking over prospects across the NHL...my takeaway is that every other team is in the same position the Sabres are in relative to vets and prospects of all ages. And people tend to be enamored with "their guys" as it justifies past decisions to draft, sign, and retain them. Hence the bar for claiming someone from waivers is not to be just a little better than the guy they will demote/release, they have to be viewed as noticeably better. I don't think Bailey has shown he's noticeably better or imbued with more potential than the marginal forwards on other team's rosters. 

So while Bailey certainly could get claimed on waivers, I would be a little surprised.

I think he's a career AHL / occasional injury call-up sort of guy.  

Edited September 12, 2018 by Sakman

[Taro T]

12 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

Right, but they wouldn't be allowed to trade him until after the playoffs.

....and if the Sabres reclaimed him, then he could be sent down without having to clear waivers a second time.

Well, they could trade him before the playoffs provided they offer him to any other teams that put a claim on him the 1st time he was exposed to waivers.

The 2nd paragraph is true if the original team is the only one making the waiver claim.  Need to look at it more closely in the case of additional teams that made original claim on the player but didn't get him.

 

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, Sakman said:

I just spent a lot of time looking over prospects across the NHL...my takeaway is that every other team is in the same position the Sabres are in relative to vets and prospects of all ages. And people tend to be enamored with "their guys" as it justifies past decisions to draft, sign, and retain them. Hence the bar for claiming someone from waivers is not to be just a little better than the guy they will demote/release, they have to be viewed as noticeably better. I don't think Bailey has shown he's noticeably better or imbued with more potential than the marginal forwards on every other team's rosters. 

So while Bailey certainly could get claimed on waivers, I would be a little surprised.

I think he's a career AHL / occasional injury call-up sort of guy.  

It'sinteresting which guys get claimed & which makeit through.  Pominville cleared waivers.  The next season, Thorburn got claimed.

[TheAud]

3 minutes ago, Taro T said:

It'sinteresting which guys get claimed & which makeit through.  Pominville cleared waivers.  The next season, Thorburn got claimed.

I think that's somewhat reflective of the era...in 2005-2006 teams were not as focused on skill and speed - there was a lot more interest in a heavy line up. A guy like Thorburn (who in looking back looks a lot like Bailey if you threw in about 100 penalty minutes or so, and he scored a bit more at the AHL level than Bailey) attracted people whereas I seem to recall Pominville was waived and sent down prior to the lock-out season when the speed aspect of team building was at a low and I think he was viewed as sort of a softie. Nonetheless, the point is well taken. 

[shrader]

22 minutes ago, Taro T said:

It'sinteresting which guys get claimed & which makeit through.  Pominville cleared waivers.  The next season, Thorburn got claimed.

The whole thing is so unpredictable.  There are countless guys each year who clear that are in this same boat, guys who the fans think would never make it through.

Personally, I'm in favor of keeping them on the roster and sending down the younger waiver-free guys (except for the Eichels and Dahlins of the world).  Depth is too important to mess around with.  For the young guys who deserve to be up, that situation usually takes care of itself with all of the inevitable injuries.

[Doohicksie]

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

I don't think Bailey would clear waivers at this point in his development.  Bailey might not be what Housley wants, but some coach will want him.

I disagree.  I'm not sure any team would want him, compared to their own versions of Bailey/Baptiste.

 

[Doohicksie]

(Mid-season maybe, but not right out of camp.)

 

[erickompositör72]

Sorry for the cliche, but re:Baiey/Baptiste & waivers- it's a good problem to have

[Hoss]

2 hours ago, Eleven said:

I don't think Bailey would clear waivers at this point in his development.  Bailey might not be what Housley wants, but some coach will want him.

I think both would clear waivers. Bailey moreso than Baptiste. Especially early in the season.

[Doohicksie]

Yeah, once injuries set in, teams may try to pick up players like that off waivers, but in the beginning of the season teams have their own versions of marginal NHLers.  And while I don't mind them hanging around in Rochester and providing injury depth, unless they really have breakthroughs I don't see missing them if other teams claim them.

 

[Cheektorado]

I just want to say thanks to all the guys that replied about the waiver rules and how they affect the Sabres players.

Please feel free to explain other roster rules as they come up.

I'm sure I'm not the only member/lurker/guest that appreciates this info!!!!!

[Doohicksie]

I don't know much about that stuff, but what I know I learned here.

[Randall Flagg]

I think I've hit a point where I wouldn't blink if Bailey was waived and claimed, except for Eleven's rooting interest. 

 

[Andrew Amerk]

Hey, we might be able to find another Jordan Nolan on waivers this season. 

[inkman]

1 minute ago, Andrew Amerk said:

Hey, we might be able to find another Jordan Nolan on waivers this season. 

Or actually Jordan Nolan, amiright?

[Andrew Amerk]

3 minutes ago, inkman said:

Or actually Jordan Nolan, amiright?

The board is currently in that positive, preseason mood. The board might have a meltdown if that happens!