Tondas Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 I know it's way too soon, but the 2018-2019 line up is going to be challenging CAP-wise. I know a lot can happen, but the team is at $64 mil this year. I figure Jack gets $10 mil and Sam gets retiring Georges money (3.9mil). That leaves them at $74 million (if the team signs all others at their 2018 levels, including Kane). If Beaulieu gets $1.5 and Girgs get $1mil this year and next, you can see it gets tight. The places to get relief are buyouts of Moulson, Pominville, and Bogo. Also goalie if Lehner flames out and they go with Ullmark and ?? next year. I may mean we have a ton of young players in the lineup next year. I'm sure JBOT is on it but it will be interesting and constraining at the same time. Quote
Taro T Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 I know it's way too soon, but the 2018-2019 line up is going to be challenging CAP-wise. I know a lot can happen, but the team is at $64 mil this year. I figure Jack gets $10 mil and Sam gets retiring Georges money (3.9mil). That leaves them at $74 million (if the team signs all others at their 2018 levels, including Kane). If Beaulieu gets $1.5 and Girgs get $1mil this year and next, you can see it gets tight. The places to get relief are buyouts of Moulson, Pominville, and Bogo. Also goalie if Lehner flames out and they go with Ullmark and ?? next year. I may mean we have a ton of young players in the lineup next year. I'm sure JBOT is on it but it will be interesting and constraining at the same time. Moulson gets traded or buried in Ra-cha-cha by next year. No need to worry about that $5MM. Quote
Lanny Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) I don't think it's that tight. With the amounts you used I've got 9 forwards, 6 D and a goalie (Ullmark) signed with around $13M of cap space left, assuming cap doesn't go up. With that they'll have to make decisions on Kane and Lehner. Edited July 31, 2017 by Lanny Quote
Tondas Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) I don't think it's that tight. With the amounts you used I've got 9 forwards, 6 D and a goalie (Ullmark) signed with around $13M of cap space left, assuming cap doesn't go up. With that they'll have to make decisions on Kane and Lehner. Does your $13 include the signings of Kane and Lehner? If not, it is tight. If Kane is resigned at $6 and Lehner is signed at $5. That gives them 2 million for 5 forwards and 1 d-man. No way. Edited July 31, 2017 by Tondas Quote
Tondas Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) I should have given an example. Next years' cap with Kane and Lehner signings. That's already over the cap. JBOTs got work to do. 2018-19 Eichel, Jack 10,000,000 O'Reilly, Ryan 7,500,000 Okposo, Kyle 6,000,000 Kane, Evander 6,000,000 Pominville, Jason 5,600,000 Moulson, Matt 5,000,000 Reinhart, Sam 3,900,000 Larsson, Johan 1,475,000 Girgensons, Zemgus 1,000,000 Young Guy 750,000 Young Guy 750,000 Young Guy 750,000 Young Guy 750,000 Young Guy 750,000 14 Ristolainen, Rasmus 5,400,000 Bogosian, Zach 5,142,857 Scandella, Marco 4,000,000 McCabe, Jake 1,600,000 Beaulieu, Nathan 2,200,000 Antipin, Victor 925,000 Tennyson, Matt 650,000 7 Lehner, Robin 5,000,000 Ullmark, Linus 775,000 2 75,917,857 23 Edited July 31, 2017 by Tondas Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 The cap this year is 75 million. We also have a nearly 500k rebate from CoHo. The cap should also rise by a few million. The last 3 year it has grown from 71.4 to 73 to 75 this season. Figure 77 for next year. Here is the math The top 6 D is basically set for 2018. Risto, Bogo, Scandella, Baloo, McCabe and Guhle are signed for 19.243 5 forwards are signed 20.475 (ROR, KO, Pommers, Larsson and Nylander). I'm assuming Moulson is traded to help get a team to the cap floor. 1 goaltender is signed - Ullmark for 775K So we have 12 players for 2018-19 at 40.493. How do we fill the rest of the roster (10-11 players) Forwards - 7 players below 20.5 mill 1) Jack - RFA - 4 year bridge deal at 8.5 2) Reinhart - RFA - 4 year deal at 5.0 3) Pouliot - UFA - 1 yr at 2.5 4) Big Z - RFA 2 yr deal this season at 1.475 (same deal as Larsson) 5) Bailey - RFA 1 yr 1 mill (or less) 6) Baptiste - RFA 1 yr 1 mill (or less) 7) Fasching - RFA 1 yr 1 mill (or less). Defense - 2 depth players (2.6 mill or less) 8) Antipin - RFA 1.5 9) UFA - vet minimum 1.1 mill 10) Lehner - 3 year 5 per season The next 10 costs 28.1. This leaves us with 22 players at 68.593. We can even afford to pay Kane 6 mill year. That said, the key to this is dumping Moulson. If we can't get rid of him and must buy him out, it may keep us from re-signing Kane or Lehner. However, if Mittelstadt is ready to go after one season in college, it may make Kane expendable. Quote
Tondas Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Posted July 31, 2017 The cap this year is 75 million. We also have a nearly 500k rebate from CoHo. The cap should also rise by a few million. The last 3 year it has grown from 71.4 to 73 to 75 this season. Figure 77 for next year. Here is the math The top 6 D is basically set for 2018. Risto, Bogo, Scandella, Baloo, McCabe and Guhle are signed for 19.243 5 forwards are signed 20.475 (ROR, KO, Pommers, Larsson and Nylander). I'm assuming Moulson is traded to help get a team to the cap floor. 1 goaltender is signed - Ullmark for 775K So we have 12 players for 2018-19 at 40.493. How do we fill the rest of the roster (10-11 players) Forwards - 7 players below 20.5 mill 1) Jack - RFA - 4 year bridge deal at 8.5 2) Reinhart - RFA - 4 year deal at 5.0 3) Pouliot - UFA - 1 yr at 2.5 4) Big Z - RFA 2 yr deal this season at 1.475 (same deal as Larsson) 5) Bailey - RFA 1 yr 1 mill (or less) 6) Baptiste - RFA 1 yr 1 mill (or less) 7) Fasching - RFA 1 yr 1 mill (or less). Defense - 2 depth players (2.6 mill or less) 8) Antipin - RFA 1.5 9) UFA - vet minimum 1.1 mill 10) Lehner - 3 year 5 per season The next 10 costs 28.1. This leaves us with 22 players at 68.593. We can even afford to pay Kane 6 mill year. That said, the key to this is dumping Moulson. If we can't get rid of him and must buy him out, it may keep us from re-signing Kane or Lehner. However, if Mittelstadt is ready to go after one season in college, it may make Kane expendable. I'm not convinced the cap will rise next year. Tennyson & Rodrigues are on 1-ways next year so that's another $1.3 regardless. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it will be interesting. And my premise was trusting a lot of youngsters making the team (5 which you have making the leap, Nylander, Guhle, Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, 6 if you count Antipin.) And Pouliot turning it around. Again, it can be done, but it will be interesting. Quote
Taro T Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not convinced the cap will rise next year. Tennyson & Rodrigues are on 1-ways next year so that's another $1.3 regardless. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it will be interesting. And my premise was trusting a lot of youngsters making the team (5 which you have making the leap, Nylander, Guhle, Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, 6 if you count Antipin.) And Pouliot turning it around. Again, it can be done, but it will be interesting. But it isn't like the NFL where the top 53 cobtracts are the ones charged to the cap. The contracts of non-LTIR'd guys in the NHL count against the cap. Guys on IR & in the AHL (for all intents and purposes) don't count. So if Moulson is getting garbage plates after practice he isn't a $5MM albatross. Quote
dudacek Posted July 31, 2017 Report Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not convinced the cap will rise next year. Tennyson & Rodrigues are on 1-ways next year so that's another $1.3 regardless. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it will be interesting. And my premise was trusting a lot of youngsters making the team (5 which you have making the leap, Nylander, Guhle, Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, 6 if you count Antipin.) And Pouliot turning it around. Again, it can be done, but it will be interesting. Tennyson and Rodrigues don't count against the cap if they aren't in Buffalo Quote
Thorner Posted August 1, 2017 Report Posted August 1, 2017 The cap is growing artificially. Ill news is an ill guest. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted August 1, 2017 Report Posted August 1, 2017 I'm almost positive we now have 2 threads for 17-18 and 2 threads for 18-19 Quote
LGR4GM Posted August 1, 2017 Report Posted August 1, 2017 Ill news is an ill guest.Somebody got my other post ;) Quote
tom webster Posted August 1, 2017 Report Posted August 1, 2017 The cap is growing artificially. The Cap is closer to correct then not and the Canadian dollar might bottom out this year but will most likely rise by mid 2018. I took heat for this before but I still see a $85/$90M by 2019/2020. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 1, 2017 Report Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) In 2018-19 Moulson has a $5 mill cap hit, but a $2 mill salary. A buyout only nets us 1.3 in cap savings, sending him down only nets about $1 mill in cap savings. The best way to shed Moulson is to trade him to a team trying to get to the cap floor. Whether or not this becomes reality is another question. Fyi: one way contracts only mean how much the guy gets paid regardless of whether he is in the NHL or AHL. Therefore Moulson receives all $2 mill regardless of where he plays. A guy like Tennyson gets his $750k regardless, but if he doesn't make the Sabres, his salary won't count against our cap. He does however count against our 50 contract limit. Edited August 1, 2017 by GASabresFan Quote
WildCard Posted August 1, 2017 Report Posted August 1, 2017 I'm almost positive we now have 2 threads for 17-18 and 2 threads for 18-19 Pretty sure you're right Quote
Drunkard Posted August 1, 2017 Report Posted August 1, 2017 But it isn't like the NFL where the top 53 cobtracts are the ones charged to the cap. The contracts of non-LTIR'd guys in the NHL count against the cap. Guys on IR & in the AHL (for all intents and purposes) don't count. So if Moulson is getting garbage plates after practice he isn't a $5MM albatross. Sending Moulson to Rochester only saves around $1 million of his cap hit which would likely get eaten up by his replacement anyway. We need to get a team to trade for him to actually get him off the books. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 2, 2017 Report Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) Lets say for arguments' sake that Jbot can't trade Moulson and won't buy him out or send him down because there is little cap savings. Could Lehner's 1 year deal give Jbot the flexability to retain both both Moulson and Kane. In my earlier analysis, I had us at 68.593 for 22 players without Moulson and Kane, but with Lehner at $5 mill. I then wrote that adding Kane at $6 mill as the 23rd player was affordable. That would bring us to just under 75 mill. Now lets keep Moulson as well, drop Lehner's $5 mill and $1 mill for a JAG forward. That leaves us with $74 mill invested in 22 players and Ullmark as the starter, but with a glaring need for another goalie.. Sign a decent backup goalie for 1 to 1.5 and you have your team. Frankly, I'm not in favor of keeping Moulson or Kane. I have a feeling Jbot doesn't want either as well. I believe his fondest wish is that Mittelstadt and Nylander prove NHL ready for 2018-19 and that they can step into the lineup. Edited August 2, 2017 by GASabresFan Quote
Thorner Posted August 2, 2017 Report Posted August 2, 2017 Lets say for arguments' sake that Jbot can't trade Moulson and won't buy him out or send him down because there is little cap savings. Could Lehner's 1 year deal give Jbot the flexability to retain both both Moulson and Kane. In my earlier analysis, I had us at 68.593 for 22 players without Moulson and Kane, but with Lehner at $5 mill. I then wrote that adding Kane at $6 mill as the 23rd player was affordable. That would bring us to just under 75 mill. Now lets keep Moulson as well, drop Lehner's $5 mill and $1 mill for a JAG forward. That leaves us with $74 mill invested in 22 players and Ullmark as the starter, but with a glaring need for another goalie.. Sign a decent backup goalie for 1 to 1.5 and you have your team. Frankly, I'm not in favor of keeping Moulson or Kane. I have a feeling Jbot doesn't want either as well. I believe his fondest wish is that Mittelstadt and Nylander prove NHL ready for 2018-19 and that they can step into the lineup. If that is his wish, I can't see him giving a LT contract to Kane, even if they aren't quite ready yet. Quote
Crusader1969 Posted November 5, 2017 Report Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) Are we there yet!? There is no way Moulson is still on the team at this point? Right? Right? Here is my way too early 2018/19 line-up Nylander Eichel Reinhart Kane Middelstadt Bailey Girgenson ROR Okposo Smith Larsson ERod/ Baptiste. Scandella. Risto Guhle. Bogosian (if healthy) MCCabe. Antipin Playoff line-up? Not sure myself but a hell of a lot better than the team that played in Dallas If the Sabres end up bottom 5, as they appear to be heading , and draft any of Svechnikov, Zadina, Hughes, Tkachuk or Dahlin a roster spot needs to be opened. All look to be ready to jump right into the NHL immediately I Edited November 6, 2017 by Crusader1969 Quote
Crusader1969 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Posted November 6, 2017 Moulson's cap hit in 2018/19 is $5mill but actual salary is $2million If Sabres can trade him and pay $2million of his salary, does this mean the team acquiring him pay him nothing? They just incur $3 million on their salary cap? Quote
North Buffalo Posted November 6, 2017 Report Posted November 6, 2017 Are we there yet!? There is no way Moulson is still on the team at this point? Right? Right? Here is my way too early 2018/19 line-up Nylander Eichel Reinhart Kane Middelstadt Bailey Girgenson ROR Okposo Smith Larsson ERod/ Baptiste. Scandella. Risto Guhle. Bogosian (if healthy) MCCabe. Antipin Playoff line-up? Not sure myself but a hell of a lot better than the team that played in Dallas If the Sabres end up bottom 5, as they appear to be heading , and draft any of Svechnikov, Zadina, Hughes, Tkachuk or Dahlin a roster spot needs to be opened. All look to be ready to jump right into the NHL immediately I Probably and easy one... If a forward, they will start on the fourth line, Nylander is a big if... Kane might not be around.... If a D Bogosian is an if and same with Ghule, McCabe may be the odd man out though having these six plus Dahlin or Zadina sounds wonderful. If Kane is gone for a later first rounder, who might be available... and are there any free agents out there that might fit in? Pulliot may still be around too... Quote
WildCard Posted November 6, 2017 Report Posted November 6, 2017 @BillHoppeNHL Zach Bogosian has started skating. Nathan Beaulieu and Josh Gorges should join practice this week. #Sabres Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 6, 2017 Report Posted November 6, 2017 @BillHoppeNHL Zach Bogosian has started skating. Nathan Beaulieu and Josh Gorges should join practice this week. #Sabres Good news. Will we have a full compliment of NHL level Dmen by Christmas? Quote
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