Around the NHL 2017

[dudacek]

Also in there is a link about trying to change the draft age from 18 to 19.  Let's ignore for a second whether or not you think it's a good idea.  How exactly could they roll out this change?  Whenever that happens, you wind up with a year with basically no draft prospects.  All of those top 19 year olds would have been drafted the year before and no new pool of prospects is added.  The only players remaining are the ones who were not drafted the year before.  This, of course, would be the year that the Sabres would win the draft lottery.

 

 

They'd have to phase it in. Next year, 18-year-olds only eligible in the first three rounds, the year after only round one, before becoming hard and fast in year three.

I'd think they'd still have to give exceptional 18-year-olds a chance to opt-in — call it the "generational clause" — maybe with the caveat they can only be picked in the top three or top five.

Also, add in a rule where signed 19-year-old first-rounders can be sent to the AHL if the team deems it in their best interest.

 

I think it allows for safer drafting and better development without limiting opportunities for the kids.

Edited September 7, 2017 by dudacek

[Brawndo]

Per Renaud Lavoie

 

NHL trading deadline will be on Monday February 26 this season. #nhl #tvasports

[MattPie]

They'd have to phase it in. Next year, 18-year-olds only eligible in the first three rounds, the year after only round one, before becoming hard and fast in year three.

I'd think they'd still have to give exceptional 18-year-olds a chance to opt-in — call it the "generational clause" — maybe with the caveat they can only be picked in the top three or top five.

Also, add in a rule where signed 19-year-old first-rounders can be sent to the AHL if the team deems it in their best interest.

 

I think it allows for safer drafting and better development without limiting opportunities for the kids.

 

They could phase it in over a few years too; 18 years 4 months one year, 18 years 8 months the next, and 19 the last year.

[shrader]

No timeout after an icing call.  I like that one too.

[pi2000]

Georege Parros, head of player safety?

 

Ugh.

 

Princeton grad.... I've met him a few times out here both on and off the ice.   He's a very intelligent articulate guy... not your typical meathead goon.

[Eleven]

No timeout after an icing call.  I like that one too.

 

I don't.  If the team wants to burn its timeout to give players a rest, it should be able to.  It's not like basketball where there are a zillion time outs per team.  There's just one.

[WildCard]

I don't. If the team wants to burn its timeout to give players a rest, it should be able to. It's not like basketball where there are a zillion time outs per team. There's just one.

Agreed. It's also the one time a team actually uses it. Maybe this will open up teams to using I more?

[LTS]

Turrible rule changes.

 

The 2min penalty for a failed review is awful.  How many times did they blow the call last year?  Just get rid of the damned challenge entirely.  What will inevitably happen this year is that a team will lose a game because they challenged a call, were ruled against, gave up a PP goal on that penalty and then other camera angles or something will show the refs were incorrect in their review on the ice.

 

The no timeout after icing is also stupid... let them use it how they want.

 

The NHL is great at breaking things that were fixed and not fixing that which is broken.  Derp.

[LGR4GM]

The offside challenge was broken and remains broken. 

[Brawndo]

Ryan Ellis out until at least January 1st per Polie

[Brawndo]

Cody Franson to Chicago on a PTO

[Taro T]

Also in there is a link about trying to change the draft age from 18 to 19.  Let's ignore for a second whether or not you think it's a good idea.  How exactly could they roll out this change?  Whenever that happens, you wind up with a year with basically no draft prospects.  All of those top 19 year olds would have been drafted the year before and no new pool of prospects is added.  The only players remaining are the ones who were not drafted the year before.  This, of course, would be the year that the Sabres would win the draft lottery.

They would almost assuredly have to at least conditionally allow for some 18 yo's to be drafted or it won't pass legal muster. They can't universally keep adults from being hired on the basis of age.

 

There is a reason the draft age was dropped to 18 35 or so years ago.

Turrible rule changes.

 

The 2min penalty for a failed review is awful.  How many times did they blow the call last year?  Just get rid of the damned challenge entirely.  What will inevitably happen this year is that a team will lose a game because they challenged a call, were ruled against, gave up a PP goal on that penalty and then other camera angles or something will show the refs were incorrect in their review on the ice.

 

The no timeout after icing is also stupid... let them use it how they want.

 

The NHL is great at breaking things that were fixed and not fixing that which is broken.  Derp.

Agreed. The only way they should consider allowing a penalty for a failed challenge is if the refs & linesmen all face receiving a large fine for improperly upholding an incorrect call. That won't happen, & neither should it be a penalty to lose a challenge.

 

And I'd expect to see either ' 90 NY Giant-style phantom "injuries" or equipment issues resulting in delays if teams can't use a time out at all after an icing.

[Thorner]

Turrible rule changes.

 

The 2min penalty for a failed review is awful.  How many times did they blow the call last year?  Just get rid of the damned challenge entirely.  What will inevitably happen this year is that a team will lose a game because they challenged a call, were ruled against, gave up a PP goal on that penalty and then other camera angles or something will show the refs were incorrect in their review on the ice.

 

The no timeout after icing is also stupid... let them use it how they want.

 

The NHL is great at breaking things that were fixed and not fixing that which is broken.  Derp.

Yup. Setting up for Triple-whammies now. Loss of challenge, blown review, penalty against team as insult to injury.

 

All based off an incorrect call to begin with. It's gonna happen.

 

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How awesome is this from our own Eichel? Spot on!

 

https://twitter.com/alex_prewitt/status/905782992727101445

[Brawndo]

There is growing consensus around the league to increase the draft eligibility age to 19.

[Taro T]

There is growing consensus around the league to increase the draft eligibility age to 19.

And there is little (no) consensus in the courts to raise it above 18.

[Brawndo]

Dreger

 

Talk of moving NHL draft age to 19 is interesting. This discussion is been ongoing for yrs. Would boost CHL and Midget Hky. Good idea.

 

Scott Wheeler

 

Pat Lafontaine just said on SN590 that there's consensus in the hockey world to move to a 19-year-old draft. It's really going to happen.

 

Wonder what the NHLPA would want in return for this?

[Hank]

And there is little (no) consensus in the courts to raise it above 18.

They don't need the courts permission any more than the NBA or NFL do. I could be wrong though, why do you think differently?

[Taro T]

They don't need the courts permission any more than the NBA or NFL do. I could be wrong though, why do you think differently?

Pretty sure the NBA allows "hardship" cases to enter the draft as young as 18.

 

The NFL also allows underclassmen to enter the draft.

 

The NHL lowered it's draft age when Kenny Linesman successfully sued the WHA. They did not do it willingly. They may be able to put some form of performance based limitations on 18 yo's getting drafted, but would be shocked if they could do it blanketly. Would also be very interested in seeing what the PA would demand in return.

[shrader]

And there is little (no) consensus in the courts to raise it above 18.

How would it work in the courts given that it's an international league? Does it have to be contested in only one of the two countries or would it just be an issue where the league headquarters are located?

[Taro T]

How would it work in the courts given that it's an international league? Does it have to be contested in only one of the two countries or would it just be an issue where the league headquarters are located?

Would expect (& 11 or Smell would know better) that if either country says keep it at 18 it would have to stay at 18.

[Eleven]

And there is little (no) consensus in the courts to raise it above 18.

 

Ask Maurice Clarett how that works.

[Drunkard]

Pretty sure the NBA allows "hardship" cases to enter the draft as young as 18.

 

The NFL also allows underclassmen to enter the draft.

 

The NHL lowered it's draft age when Kenny Linesman successfully sued the WHA. They did not do it willingly. They may be able to put some form of performance based limitations on 18 yo's getting drafted, but would be shocked if they could do it blanketly. Would also be very interested in seeing what the PA would demand in return.

 

I believe you have to be out of high school for at least 3 years to be eligible for the NFL draft. For most people that means you're around 21 years of age. So underclassmen are eligible but they don't allow 18 year olds fresh out of high school. The youngest I remember was Amobe Okoye (sp?). He was a 20 year old who immigrated from Africa but he started college at year and was already a 4 year graduate by age 20.

Edited September 8, 2017 by Drunkard

[WildCard]

The Vancouver Canucks will be signing restricted free agent forward Bo Horvat to a new longterm contract, according to a Friday morning report from TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun. LeBrun is reporting that the soon-to-be announced pact is a six-year deal that will pay Horvat a total of $33 million.

 

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/report-bo-horvat-to-sign-6-year-deal-with-canucks/

[Randall Flagg]

Somebody on hfboards who (claims to) know(s) the Gionta family says that he's training to play in the Olympics and won't accept any of his offers (they gave New Jersey as one of the teams that offered him one) unless Buffalo changes their mind and decides to give him one (or another place he'd want to play, they didn't say explicitly that buffalo was the only contract he would accept). 

 
https://www.fanragsports.com/news/report-bo-horvat-to-sign-6-year-deal-with-canucks/

Comparable for Reinhart, possibly. 

[dudacek]

Somebody on hfboards who (claims to) know(s) the Gionta family says that he's training to play in the Olympics and won't accept any of his offers (they gave New Jersey as one of the teams that offered him one) unless Buffalo changes their mind and decides to give him one (or another place he'd want to play, they didn't say explicitly that buffalo was the only contract he would accept). 

 

Makes good sense to me. Other possibilities would have to be good organizations close to Rochester I would imagine.

I also think JBot hasn't closed the door on Gio and won't until he gets a good look at the Rochester four (and to a lesser extent Pouliot, Josefson and Moulson)