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[Thorner]

Based on what we've seen from both, that's incredibly bold.

 

I'm sorry, I forgot to not lean optimistic on a Sabres board. Ok, ok, Matthews is better than Eichel, Draisaitl is better than Reinhart, and I'm doomed to be miserable :p

[Randall Flagg]

I'm sorry, I forgot to not lean optimistic on a Sabres board. Ok, ok, Matthews is better than Eichel, Draisaitl is better than Reinhart, and I'm doomed to be miserable :P

"Leaning optimistic" is not the way I'd describe a 30 point difference haha

Matt Hunwick, Cody Franson, Shane Prince, Frank Vatrano, Joel Armia, Francois Beauchemin, Derek Forbort, Esa Lindell, Beau Bennett, these guys were closer to catching Sam in scoring than Sam was to Leon 

Edited August 16, 2017 by Randall Flagg

[Thorner]

Gross. Still, I feel Sam was improperly utilized. You of course know that is the basis for any argument supporting Reinhart in an argument such as this. Especially when the other guy played with McJesus.

 

And that also leaves out the value side of the argument. There's a reasonably more likely chance for Reinhart to at least provide better bang for the buck, consider Leon got 8.5 million and Sam won't get close.

[WildCard]

Edmonton is definitely in Cap trouble now, especially if they just paid 8.5 for a winger. McD and Draisaitl are I think roughly the same % of cap as Toews and Kane are, but they had success before those big deals.

 

Lucic deal now problematic. RNH as good as gone.

 

I'll happily take Reinhart for 1/2 to 3/4 of that Draisaitl $, on a bridge, considering I think he'll probably end up just as good. And Jack will get less than McDavid.

 

Good, gooood.

Edmonton...isn't though? It's weird because when Chicago did this, they were because their players were older. But Edmonton did this in their players' prime. So the cap will keep growing, that % will go down, and, well, oddly enough in 3-4 years that contract will be exactly what it should be, around 13% of the cap

 

"Leaning optimistic" is not the way I'd describe a 30 point difference haha

Matt Hunwick, Cody Franson, Shane Prince, Frank Vatrano, Joel Armia, Francois Beauchemin, Derek Forbort, Esa Lindell, Beau Bennett, these guys were closer to catching Sam in scoring than Sam was to Leon 

Oh come on Flagg, we both know this list isn't an accurate representation.

[Randall Flagg]

Edmonton...isn't though? It's weird because when Chicago did this, they were because their players were older. But Edmonton did this in their players' prime. So the cap will keep growing, that % will go down, and, well, oddly enough in 3-4 years that contract will be exactly what it should be, around 13% of the cap

 

Oh come on Flagg, we both know this list isn't an accurate representation.

Of what? It's an accurate representation of players who were closer to catching Sam in scoring than Sam was to catching Draisaitl. 

[WildCard]

Of what? It's an accurate representation of players who were closer to catching Sam in scoring than Sam was to catching Draisaitl. 

An accurate represenation of those players' worth / skill

 

Meant to include a  :P, but it's pitcher night, so ya get what ya get :D

[Randall Flagg]

An accurate represenation of those players' worth / skill

 

Meant to include a  :P, but it's pitcher night, so ya get what ya get :D

I mean, Sam and Leon are not close right now though. Draisaitl just dominated teams in the playoffs and was top 10 in points per game, and Sam had a forgettable year. Sure, McDavid helped Leon, but Sam spent the year with Jack who we all know is quite good himself. And while McDavid will boost anyone's numbers, Drai's playoff heroics were all on himself. 

Edited August 17, 2017 by Randall Flagg

[Thorner]

Edmonton...isn't though? It's weird because when Chicago did this, they were because their players were older. But Edmonton did this in their players' prime. So the cap will keep growing, that % will go down, and, well, oddly enough in 3-4 years that contract will be exactly what it should be, around 13% of the cap

 

 

Oh come on Flagg, we both know this list isn't an accurate representation.

They will still have trouble maneuvering with the likes of Lucic on board, who's contract is only going to get worse. I won't give the guy who screwed over Boston's cap the benefit of the doubt that he can manage it, this time.

 

I mean, Sam and Leon are not close right now though. Draisaitl just dominated teams in the playoffs and was top 10 in points per game, and Sam had a forgettable year. Sure, McDavid helped Leon, but Sam spent the year with Jack who we all know is quite good himself. And while McDavid will boost anyone's numbers, Drai's playoff heroics were all on himself.

 

Still underselling Sam, here, 47 points is good for a sophomore, especially considering his coach and how he was utilized. Jack missed 1/4 of the season, and I know Reinhart wasn't playing with him the entire time he was in the lineup, either.

 

What's your list? Matthews > Draisaitl > Eichel > ............... Sam Bennett > Reinhart?

[Randall Flagg]

Matthews = Eichel > Draisatil >> Reinhart >> Bennett

[Thorner]

Eichel = Matthews >> Draistail > Reinhart >> Bennett

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit : Wait -

 

Mittelstadt >> Eichel = Matthews >> Draisaitl = Kunitz > Reinhart >> Bennett

Edited August 17, 2017 by Thorny

[Randall Flagg]

Eichel = Matthews >> Draistail > Reinhart >> Bennett

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit : Wait -

 

Mittelstadt >> Eichel = Matthews >> Draisaitl = Kunitz > Reinhart >> Bennett

So since our list is so similar, I think we should coin our recent exchange "August Arguing" and define it as an argument that is almost guaranteed not to happen when things are going on in the hockey world :P

[Thorner]

So since our list is so similar, I think we should coin our recent exchange "August Arguing" and define it as an argument that is almost guaranteed not to happen when things are going on in the hockey world :P

Indubitably!

[Thorner]

Sorry, this has to be seen:

 

https://twitter.com/chad_amaral/status/897957853847183361

[WildCard]

Sorry, this has to be seen:

 

https://twitter.com/chad_amaral/status/897957853847183361

Who is that?

[Thorner]

Not sure. Ceremonial first pitch at a Red Sox game.

[shrader]

Eichel = Matthews >> Draistail > Reinhart >> Bennett

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit : Wait -

 

Mittelstadt >> Eichel = Matthews >> Draisaitl = Kunitz > Reinhart >> Bennett

 

Mittelstadt is so good that they have to create a brand new mathematical operator in order to define him.  The top 10 mathematicians in the world have been teamed up to work on this.  You can expect the results in 15 years.

[LGR4GM]

Mittelstadt is so good that they have to create a brand new mathematical operator in order to define him.  The top 10 mathematicians in the world have been teamed up to work on this.  You can expect the results in 15 years.

Lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Mittselstadt came up with his own mathematical  operator to define him when he was 9 and bored during summer camp while writing his dissertation that proved Einstein's theory of relativity. 

Edited August 17, 2017 by LGR4GM

[WildCard]

I mean, Sam and Leon are not close right now though. Draisaitl just dominated teams in the playoffs and was top 10 in points per game, and Sam had a forgettable year. Sure, McDavid helped Leon, but Sam spent the year with Jack who we all know is quite good himself. And while McDavid will boost anyone's numbers, Drai's playoff heroics were all on himself. 

I mean I'm not saying their close, but I don't believe in lumping Reinhart in with the players you listed.

 

They will still have trouble maneuvering with the likes of Lucic on board, who's contract is only going to get worse. I won't give the guy who screwed over Boston's cap the benefit of the doubt that he can manage it, this time.

 

 

Still underselling Sam, here, 47 points is good for a sophomore, especially considering his coach and how he was utilized. Jack missed 1/4 of the season, and I know Reinhart wasn't playing with him the entire time he was in the lineup, either.

 

What's your list? Matthews > Draisaitl > Eichel > ............... Sam Bennett > Reinhart?

Matthews = Eichel > Draisatil >> Reinhart >> Bennett

Eichel > Matthews >> Draisaitl >> Reinhart >>>> Bennett = Larkin

 

Eichel = Matthews >> Draistail > Reinhart >> Bennett

 

 

Edit : Wait -

 

Mittelstadt >> Eichel = Matthews >> Draisaitl = Kunitz > Reinhart >> Bennett

That edit is amazing though :lol:

[shrader]

Lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Mittselstadt came up with his own mathematical  operator to define him when he was 9 and bored during summer camp while writing his dissertation that proved Einstein's theory of relativity. 

 

Actually, it's a little known fact that Mittelstatdt couldn't even read until the age of 12.  He had never even tried to read anything until he randomly grabbed a copy of War and Peace.

[Eleven]

Who is that?

 

Jordan Leandre.

 

He is a child cancer survivor.  When he was a sick kid, they let him run the bases at Fenway before a game or between innings or something.  He's been back to throw out the first pitch a few times since his cancer went into remission.  

[Randall Flagg]

I mean I'm not saying their close, but I don't believe in lumping Reinhart in with the players you listed.

 

Eichel > Matthews >> Draisaitl >> Reinhart >>>> Bennett = Larkin

 

That edit is amazing though :lol:

I didn't lump him in with them any more than I lumped him in with Draisaitl. I literally listed them as players who are as far away in one direction as Draisaitl is in the other, and since my point is that Sam and Draisaitl aren't close, then it follows that I was saying that those guys aren't close to Sam.

[WildCard]

I didn't lump him in with them any more than I lumped him in with Draisaitl. I literally listed them as players who are as far away in one direction as Draisaitl is in the other, and since my point is that Sam and Draisaitl aren't close, then it follows that I was saying that those guys aren't close to Sam.

"these guys are closer to catching Sam than Sam is to Leon" to me, reads "Sam is closer to this type of player than he is this type of player"

[Randall Flagg]

"these guys are closer to catching Sam than Sam is to Leon" to me, reads "Sam is closer to this type of player than he is this type of player"

Statistically last year they were, which is why I listed them, to emphasize that Sam and Leon aren't close.

[WildCard]

Statistically last year they were, which is why I listed them, to emphasize that Sam and Leon aren't close.

At this point we're just going to argue semantics 

[LTS]

Statistically last year they were, which is why I listed them, to emphasize that Sam and Leon aren't close.

 

Well, this is based on what?  Pure point differential?

 

Are you accounting for the probability/potential that any of those players could hit the number Reinhart was at?  If the probability they could reach Reinhart is 1-5% and 0% that they could reach 5 points more than Reinhart and the probability of Reinhart getting 5 more points next season is 95% and he has a 30% chance of hitting Draisaitl numbers then you'd have to say that Reinhart is closer to Draisaitl than the other players are closer to Reinhart... wouldn't you?

 

Because there is no way Franson is closer to Reinhart than Reinhart is to Draisaitl.