Taro T Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 Because they'd be, at the very least, placing a hardship upon at least some of the actual paying customers. Never mind growing the game, they're actively not caring about those willing to give them money in the first place. Yes. Mistyped my reply. Meant to add a phrase at the end of the 1st sentence asking how stating that it was NHLy was daring them to be NHLy. :doh: Quote
Sabel79 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 Yes. Mistyped my reply. Meant to add a phrase at the end of the 1st sentence asking how stating that it was NHLy was daring them to be NHLy. :doh: Gotcha. Quote
Doohicksie Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 They could lock out just b4 the Olympics because the players are planning on going I don't think they can, as that would violate the no strike/lockout provision of the CBA. The league would have its ass handed to it. Edited to add: or at least it would if the NHLPA were in possession of an actual backbone. Maybe the NHLPA would actually want the lockout. It could be a negotiated alternative to playing through the Olympics. They lock out the NHL for two weeks. Of the games missed, the fit a few in here and there, making up perhaps one week, then extend the season another week and make up the rest of the games. Start the playoffs a week later. Meh. Quote
Sabel79 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 That would require more time, and legal fees, that it's worth, IMO. Plus, all it takes is one or a few union members to feel the u ion is negotiating in bad faith to blow it up. That the vast majority of players would willingly give up paychecks for the benefit of those at the top is ludicrous. Again, IMHO. Quote
Doohicksie Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 No one is giving up a paycheck in that scenario. All games are played. Quote
Sabel79 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 No one is giving up a paycheck in that scenario. All games are played. Again, this is literally not possible. Quote
Taro T Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 I don't think they can, as that would violate the no strike/lockout provision of the CBA. The league would have its ass handed to it. Edited to add: or at least it would if the NHLPA were in possession of an actual backbone. Correct. And to diverge away to the CBA for a second (and this isn't directed towards you, it's merely informational), the reason lockouts happen at the beginning of the season & strikes at the end (in any sport but football occassionally - freakin' boneheads :doh:) is the owners are flush w/ cash at the beginning of the year & the players have been w/out a paycheck at the beginning of the year & the players have received almost all their money by the end of the regular season & TV networks want the playoff games to happen because that is when THEY make their money. So, if the owners pass on locking the players out w/out a CBA in place they give ALL the leverage to the players. Did that once in the early '90's & the players struck & handed the owners' lunches to them. They will NEVER skip locking the players out if there is no CBA in place unless the players have somehow given an iron clad guarantee to not strike. Which THEY will never do. So, yeah, it's almost certain there will be a lockout in ~4 years. Hopefully it's only ~1/2 season again when it happens. That's what I'd expect the duration to be. Quote
Sabel79 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 Explain. See that above. It would take a literal redo of the entire CBA, which can't ever happen in time for the previous CBA to not lapse, to do it. Quote
WildCard Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 CBS Sports reported on Tuesday that Golden Knights owner Bill Foley is already boasting some of the league’s top revenue in terms of ticket sales, besting teams like the Boston Bruins and Philadelphia Flyers. “We are No. 5, six or seven in terms of ticket revenue in the league,” Foley told Mark Ewing, of Forbes. “That’s how good Las Vegas has been to us. Edmonton has more revenue in their brand-new arena. The Rangers, Toronto, Chicago Blackhawks, they’re all ahead of us. Montreal is right with us. We have more revenue than the Flyers, Penguins, the Boston Bruins.” https://www.fanragsports.com/news/vegas-golden-knights-reportedly-already-top-ticket-sellers/ Quote
Sabel79 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 https://www.fanragsports.com/news/vegas-golden-knights-reportedly-already-top-ticket-sellers/ I'd be willing to bet that not a single one of those ticket buyers are fans. Gonna be a strange at,osphere in that place. Quote
That Aud Smell Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 I'd be willing to bet that not a single one of those ticket buyers are fans. Gonna be a strange at,osphere in that place. That may be so. But I do tend to think there'll be a better buzz and vibe in Vegas than in many NHL hockey arenas (including our own (of late)) - even if hardly anyone , at least in the first few years, is pulling for the hometown team. There's much to be said for creating a festival/party vibe in your arena (see Nashville). Quote
WildCard Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 I'd be willing to bet that not a single one of those ticket buyers are fans. Gonna be a strange at,osphere in that place. That may be so. But I do tend to think there'll be a better buzz and vibe in Vegas than in many NHL hockey arenas (including our own (of late)) - even if hardly anyone , at least in the first few years, is pulling for the hometown team. There's much to be said for creating a festival/party vibe in your arena (see Nashville). Think Sabres79 has it right. It's going to be just like the LAK; just a bunch of celebs and business outings. The main reason I hate the Kings so much is how much their 'fans' sucked in the Finals. Quote
Thorner Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 That may be so. But I do tend to think there'll be a better buzz and vibe in Vegas than in many NHL hockey arenas (including our own (of late)) - even if hardly anyone , at least in the first few years, is pulling for the hometown team. There's much to be said for creating a festival/party vibe in your arena (see Nashville). I agree, I think and hope an exciting hockey environment is created in Vegas for this reason. Quote
Taro T Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 Think Sabres79 has it right. It's going to be just like the LAK; just a bunch of celebs and business outings. The main reason I hate the Kings so much is how much their 'fans' sucked in the Finals. Been to one game in the Staples Center (long time ago) & sat in a lower corner w/ their hardcore fans. Those fans were knowledgeable & it was a real good time. Large portions of the Vegas crowd likely will end up being the corporate types. You just have to figure out where the "real" fans are at to have a good time at the game. (A good guess is corners of the lower bowl. ;)) Quote
IKnowPhysics Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 Respectable Kings fans do exist, but they get diluted by: Lots of other stuff to do competing for their time and dollar (this is a common LA problem) When the Kings are winning, fair-weather or non-fans there to see the hot show in town because its fashionable to be seen there (this is also an LA problem; finals make it ridiculous). Opposing fans that have transplanted to LA. Those issues are created by: Year-round decent weather in a city with many other recreational activities. The "This town loves a winner" attitude of an enormous city with many sports teams combined with Hollywood narcissism. Huge fraction of transplanted residents. Do note that ticket prices skyrocketed after the '12 Cup win. I know many, many longtime season ticket holders that now only go to 5-10 games a year. I think Vegas shares the bolded traits with LA, but doesn't have the other sports teams competing yet. If Vegas can huddle around the team like its theirs, they can organically develop a strong fanbase. But if they treat it like a redheaded stepchild of the Casinos, that's what it'll be, and it'll get walked all over by Chad from NYC that's a Rangers fan who happened to be in town for a bachelor party and Bob from Topeka who doesn't like hockey that much but was in town for a trade show and got comp tickets from a sponsor. Quote
Sabel79 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 Chad and Bob will be the majority through the turnstiles. Give it a year, they won't fill the arena. Though the tickets will be sold, so nobody in a position to do so will care. Quote
shrader Posted July 19, 2017 Report Posted July 19, 2017 I feel like we're describing the majority of teams right now. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2017 Report Posted July 19, 2017 I feel like we're describing the majority of teams right now. It's almost like people don't want to watch the constant hacking and wacking and interference laden crap the NHL is peddling lately. 5 scoring chances a game! 1 Penalty! And 2-3 rando deflection goals! Come see the NHL today! Quote
shrader Posted July 19, 2017 Report Posted July 19, 2017 It's almost like people don't want to watch the constant hacking and wacking and interference laden crap the NHL is peddling lately. 5 scoring chances a game! 1 Penalty! And 2-3 rando deflection goals! Come see the NHL today! It has very little to do with the game itself. What we are describing is a direct result of how the demographics of those with the disposable income to spend on pro sports have shifted over the years. Sure there are going to be some outliers from market to market, but as a whole, this is where we are today. Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2017 Report Posted July 19, 2017 It has very little to do with the game itself. What we are describing is a direct result of how the demographics of those with the disposable income to spend on pro sports have shifted over the years. Sure there are going to be some outliers from market to market, but as a whole, this is where we are today. Can you expand on this? I actually find stuff like this fascinating. Quote
darksabre Posted July 19, 2017 Report Posted July 19, 2017 Eagerly awaiting this think-piece in a few years:MILLENNIALS ARE KILLING PRO SPORTS Quote
3putt Posted July 19, 2017 Report Posted July 19, 2017 Eagerly awaiting this think-piece in a few years: MILLENNIALS ARE KILLING PRO SPORTS https://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2012/1019/Millennial-generation-could-kill-the-NFL Quote
LGR4GM Posted July 19, 2017 Report Posted July 19, 2017 Nichushkin will be back... supposedly http://www.tsn.ca/stars-expect-nichushkin-to-return-in-2018-19-1.808416 Quote
Mustache of God Posted July 19, 2017 Report Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Eagerly awaiting this think-piece in a few years: MILLENNIALS ARE KILLING PRO SPORTS If the arenas served avacado toast.... Edited July 19, 2017 by mustacheofgod Quote
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