ubkev Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 I am a fan of this trade. I remember the talking heads being very nice about him when he was drafted. Mainly because they stopped short talking about Armia so that they could blow Montreal over this pick. Quote
Scottysabres Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 Wasn't this guy a 1st round blue chip when drafted? Quote
nfreeman Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:08 PM, CallawaySabres said: As long as he is better than our worst defenseman, it's a good move On 6/17/2017 at 6:16 PM, Eleven said: This is absolutely the way to look at it. It's a good use of a third round pick. A great use, actually. Looks like it. Or trade something to Vegas to protect Bogo. Because I think Housley can do great things with him. Let them keep it up... Totally agree that this is a smart value move. As for Bogo -- I'm skeptical that they'll give anything to Vegas to protect Bogo. It occurs to me that they think Vegas will take Bogo -- and that this is why Howie has been talking up Moulson and Ennis -- i.e. because they think they'll be stuck with those 2 (and not Bogo). On 6/17/2017 at 6:17 PM, Thorny said: Me too. A defensive add was huge for confidence. Well, our confidence about JBott isn't really important IMHO. What is important is adding guys like Antipin and the FNG into the mix to give the Sabres more bites at the apple. On 6/17/2017 at 6:22 PM, Scottysabres said: Wasn't this guy a 1st round blue chip when drafted? Yes -- #17 overall in 2011. He's also 6'2, 205 lbs and it sounds like he's a good skater. Quote
Robviously Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:22 PM, Scottysabres said: Wasn't this guy a 1st round blue chip when drafted? Yep. Here's a scouting report from May 2011: http://thehockeywriters.com/the-next-ones-–-nathan-beaulieu-–-nhl-2011-draft-prospect-profile/ And here's TSN radio segment on trading him or protecting him: http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/dumont-potential-return-of-beaulieu-1.777679 Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:22 PM, Scottysabres said: Wasn't this guy a 1st round blue chip when drafted? 17th overall in 2011. Typically you see players breakout in year 3. If you look at Baloo's numbers it seems that this past year should be counted as his year 3 and he def up'd his game offensively. Quote
dudacek Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 Exactly the kind of move I was expecting and hoping for. Months ago I brought up wanting to make a trade like the Lydman for third rounder more than a decade ago. If this turns out to be half as good, I'll be happy. Quote
nfreeman Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 Also -- he's an RFA this summer, having just finished a 2-year deal at $1MM per year. Quote
Robviously Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 In an alternate universe, we're trying to figure out why GMTM just traded Justin Bailey and both of his 2nd round picks for Beaulieu, with half the board defending him because ZFG. Quote
Two or less Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 It's a good development piece to give Housley to see what he can do. For now, he'd probably a back end pairing, which is why, he's better then Falk, Gorges, Fedun and allows us to keep Guhle in Rochester for more development. Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:34 PM, Robviously said: In an alternate universe, we're trying to figure out why GMTM just traded Justin Bailey and both of his 2nd round picks for Beaulieu, with half the board defending him because ZFG. On 6/17/2017 at 6:36 PM, Briere48 said: It's a good development piece to give Housley to see what he can do. For now, he'd probably a back end pairing, which is why, he's better then Falk, Gorges, Fedun and allows us to keep Guhle in Rochester for more development. He's probably the 3rd best defender on the team as of now. 4th if Bogo comes back from the dead. Saying it is his 5th season is slight BS but sure we can count 6games and 17games as full seasons, why not? https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/sabres-acquire-nathan-beaulieu/c-289970310 Quote
Thorner Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:25 PM, nfreeman said: Totally agree that this is a smart value move. As for Bogo -- I'm skeptical that they'll give anything to Vegas to protect Bogo. It occurs to me that they think Vegas will take Bogo -- and that this is why Howie has been talking up Moulson and Ennis -- i.e. because they think they'll be stuck with those 2 (and not Bogo). Well, our confidence about JBott isn't really important IMHO. What is important is adding guys like Antipin and the FNG into the mix to give the Sabres more bites at the apple. Yes -- #17 overall in 2011. He's also 6'2, 205 lbs and it sounds like he's a good skater. That true, I just meant that it's nice to see. Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) What if I told you 2 years ago we could trade Mike Weber for Nathan Beaulieu? (Weber fetched a 3rd rnd pick). Edited June 17, 2017 by LGR4GM Quote
LikeEich Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 Very familiar with Beaulieu I watch alot of mtl games. Has a nice upside, could become a 2nd pairing guy on a good team. I see him now as a 3rd pairing guy on a good team though. I could see him getting top 4 mins I'm defense, I'm hoping he's on the 3rd pairing because we picked up another capable guy or 2. IMO has a tendency to make bad plays and sort of snowball effect his play the rest of the game. That being said, love the trade. Good on JBot. He's got an opportunity here, and a 3rd is a good deal for both teams. RFA too, shows good asset management Quote
Tondas Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 I like the pickup and the price, I'll get more excited if he's still here after all the expansion machinations. I have been duped before. :unsure: Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:54 PM, Tondas said: I like the pickup and the price, I'll get more excited if he's still here after all the expansion machinations. I have been duped before. :unsure: He will, I would bet he is on our protected list. Quote
Robviously Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:54 PM, Tondas said: I like the pickup and the price, I'll get more excited if he's still here after all the expansion machinations. I have been duped before. :unsure: Well, if we traded for him so that Vegas could take him and we could keep Ullmark, that's still a good outcome from where we were yesterday. Quote
nfreeman Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:34 PM, Robviously said: In an alternate universe, we're trying to figure out why GMTM just traded Justin Bailey and both of his 2nd round picks for Beaulieu, with half the board defending him because ZFG. Very nice. On 6/17/2017 at 6:50 PM, LikeEich said: Very familiar with Beaulieu I watch alot of mtl games. Has a nice upside, could become a 2nd pairing guy on a good team. I see him now as a 3rd pairing guy on a good team though. I could see him getting top 4 mins I'm defense, I'm hoping he's on the 3rd pairing because we picked up another capable guy or 2. IMO has a tendency to make bad plays and sort of snowball effect his play the rest of the game. That being said, love the trade. Good on JBot. He's got an opportunity here, and a 3rd is a good deal for both teams. RFA too, shows good asset management Good post. Keep them coming! On 6/17/2017 at 6:56 PM, Robviously said: Well, if we traded for him so that Vegas could take him and we could keep Ullmark, that's still a good outcome from where we were yesterday. Good call, but I think I'd still rather expose Bogo than Beaulieu. Quote
Tondas Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:56 PM, Robviously said: Well, if we traded for him so that Vegas could take him and we could keep Ullmark, that's still a good outcome from where we were yesterday. Agree. I'd be impressed by JBOT either way. Quote
Scottysabres Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:25 PM, nfreeman said: Totally agree that this is a smart value move. As for Bogo -- I'm skeptical that they'll give anything to Vegas to protect Bogo. It occurs to me that they think Vegas will take Bogo -- and that this is why Howie has been talking up Moulson and Ennis -- i.e. because they think they'll be stuck with those 2 (and not Bogo). Well, our confidence about JBott isn't really important IMHO. What is important is adding guys like Antipin and the FNG into the mix to give the Sabres more bites at the apple. Yes -- #17 overall in 2011. He's also 6'2, 205 lbs and it sounds like he's a good skater. On 6/17/2017 at 6:25 PM, Robviously said: Yep. Here's a scouting report from May 2011: http://thehockeywriters.com/the-next-ones-–-nathan-beaulieu-–-nhl-2011-draft-prospect-profile/ And here's TSN radio segment on trading him or protecting him: http://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/dumont-potential-return-of-beaulieu-1.777679 On 6/17/2017 at 6:28 PM, ShadowLiger said: 17th overall in 2011. Typically you see players breakout in year 3. If you look at Baloo's numbers it seems that this past year should be counted as his year 3 and he def up'd his game offensively. Thanks. Yea, seems like he could blossom here. One more question. Who are we protecting now? Quote
Doohicksie Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:15 PM, ShadowLiger said: the corpse of Gorges :w00t: Quote
LikeEich Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 7:02 PM, Scottysabres said: Thanks. Yea, seems like he could blossom here. One more question. Who are we protecting now? The dman we trade Kane for... Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 7:04 PM, LikeEich said: The dman we trade Kane for... We did not make another trade before 3pm if sources are right. So the defense we have are the ones we can protect. I would assume we protect McCabe, Risto, and Baloo. Vegas probably won't take Bogosian but could. Quote
matter2003 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 On 6/17/2017 at 6:15 PM, Thorny said: McCabe - Ristolainen Beaulieu - Antipin Falk - Bogosian 1 low-key Falk replacement from a serviceable D-corps? Guhle Quote
LikeEich Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) On 6/17/2017 at 7:06 PM, ShadowLiger said: We did not make another trade before 3pm if sources are right. So the defense we have are the ones we can protect. I would assume we protect McCabe, Risto, and Baloo. Vegas probably won't take Bogosian but could.I think if we could somehow convince them to take Bogo that would be huge for us Also, is it today the lists needed to be submitted?? Edited June 17, 2017 by LikeEich Quote
Sabel79 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) I love this love, if only because now we get 75 more games in which Rob Ray has to attempt to pronounce "Beaulieu". Editing my accidental Van Morrison: move, I love the move. Edited June 17, 2017 by Sabres79 Quote
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