Huckleberry Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 And you guys know that Hjalmarsson trade just happened, right? Holy ######. Chicago just got hosed twice... I'm confused on where to talk about trades but I guess this is it. The Chicago Blackhawks will trade Artemi Panarin to the Columbus Blue Jackets for fellow left-winger Brandon Saad, according to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman. The Blackhawks will also acquire goaltender Anton Forsberg in the deal, while centre Tyler Motte will be heading to Columbus. Patrick kane can't be to happy about this, Saad worked better with toews. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 You asked for a reason. You didn't say it had to be well thought out. ;) How about he plays 3rd line center this year with two average wingers. GMs see poor results and don't think he's a good enough center for 3rd line work and has proven to be just an average winger. Can we get more today for Sam than we get next year as an average 3rd line center? IMO it wouldn't be enough more to be worth watching to see how Sam develops here this season. If the return is Hanifin or more, I wouldn't hate the trade now, but I don't think we'd get that. I'll take the risk to watch him play this season because I don't think it's a risk at all. How so They gave up a good defenseman for a relatively small amount of goods, instead of Taylor Hall, so maybe the market for defensemen just got a lot nicer, as in maybe we can get Tanev without giving up Kane/Reinhart, or something like that. Quote
Tondas Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 Ahh there it is on the local feed. Wow. I would say they are retooling on the fly and have to be in on Shattenkirk. Shattenkirk, Keith and Seabrook would be a pretty good top 3. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 I'm confused on where to talk about trades but I guess this is it. Patrick kane can't be to happy about this, Saad worked better with toews. I was just going to say, maybe this is a move to bring Toews's scoring back from extinction, trying to get as much value out of that contract as they can. Shattenkirk, Keith and Seabrook would be a pretty good top 3. And I don't think Murphy sucks, so there are plenty of worse top 4s if they do get Kevin. Quote
Huckleberry Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 @PierreVLeBrun So full deal: Panarin, Motte and 6th Rd pick this year to Columbus for Saad, Forsberg and 5th Rd pick 2018 They really needed a goalie bad. Quote
WildCard Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 They really needed a goalie bad. Sarcasm? Quote
Brawndo Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Posted June 23, 2017 per Dreger Sounds like another big Arizona trade is in works. Raanta and Stepan likely to Coyotes. 7th overall could be part of it and DeAngelo. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 per Dreger Sounds like another big Arizona trade is in works. Raanta and Stepan likely to Coyotes. 7th overall could be part of it and DeAngelo. Hahaha. All this talk about Arizona needing to go get a center, defense, and a goalie, from Dreger about an hour ago. Fast forward 60 minutes and it's all accounted for. Quote
WildCard Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 per Dreger Sounds like another big Arizona trade is in works. Raanta and Stepan likely to Coyotes. 7th overall could be part of it and DeAngelo. So the Rangers are finally starting their rebuild. Quote
CallawaySabres Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 Can we just get the 8 seed this year? Is that too much to ask......I'll take a sweep in the 1st round just to watch one meaningful game, just ONE! Quote
Tondas Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 IMO it wouldn't be enough more to be worth watching to see how Sam develops here this season. If the return is Hanifin or more, I wouldn't hate the trade now, but I don't think we'd get that. I'll take the risk to watch him play this season because I don't think it's a risk at all. They gave up a good defenseman for a relatively small amount of goods, instead of Taylor Hall, so maybe the market for defensemen just got a lot nicer, as in maybe we can get Tanev without giving up Kane/Reinhart, or something like that. You're sure that Sam will be as good, if not better, this year. I think he may be as good, but could be worse this year. That's the difference. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 You're sure that Sam will be as good, if not better, this year. I think he may be as good, but could be worse this year. That's the difference. Mhm, and I think the overwhelming majority of cases show young 21 year old high draft pick high hockey sense players taking steps forward in their career at this point, not falling back, and if I were to think otherwise then that would cause a slippery slope and make me quite paranoid about Jack, who's already close to his physical ceiling and doesn't quite have the hockey sense of Sam. OEL - Hammer is a sick Swedish top pair. Goligoski is still there. Chychrun can take a step forward. They're all left handed, but Hammer plays the right side better. Quote
Brawndo Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Posted June 23, 2017 It's from a Twitter Account named NHL Rumors, so a LARGE grain of salt is needed, but they are reporting the 21st Pick might be in play for Kane Quote
WildCard Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) @DarrenDreger Leafs fans...I'm told Toronto is among the teams with strong interest and an offer in on Travis Hamonic. As you were @DarrenDreger I believe Toronto, Calgary, Detroit and Tampa Bay in hard. Arizona was also interested, but Hjalmarsson trade may change that. It's from a Twitter Account named NHL Rumors, so a LARGE grain of salt is needed, but they are reporting the 21st Pick might be in play for Kane That would be the NYR Edited June 23, 2017 by WildCard Quote
Samson's Flow Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 It's from a Twitter Account named NHL Rumors, so a LARGE grain of salt is needed, but they are reporting the 21st Pick might be in play for Kane What do the Rangers have that we want? #21 + ? Quote
WildCard Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 @FriedgeHNIC Elliotte Friedman Word is the ask is two first-round picks [for Hamonic]. We'll see if it changes Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 This has been a fun stretch. Thanks Expansion Draft/Hawks sweep. Panarin - Wennberg - Atkinson is going to be one of the best lines in the league low key Quote
WildCard Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 This has been a fun stretch. Thanks Expansion Draft/Hawks sweep. Panarin - Wennberg - Atkinson is going to be one of the best lines in the league low key Wonder if Dubouis gets called up too Quote
Samson's Flow Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) What do the Rangers have that we want? #21 + ? Looking at the Rangers 2017 roster, they have three under 24yr old defenseman: 4 Adam Clendening us D 24 6-0 196 R/- 2 October 26, 1992 2 G, 9 A, 11 P N/A 2011 CHI 2nd (36) 76 Brady Skjei us D 22 6-3 211 L/- 1 March 26, 1994 5 G, 34 A, 39 P N/A 2012 NYR 1st (28) 42 Brendan Smith ca D 27 6-2 211 L/- 5 February 8, 1989 1 G, 3 A, 4 P N/A 2007 DET 1st (27) Any interest in any of them? Edited June 23, 2017 by Touched by Boyes Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 @DarrenDreger Leafs fans...I'm told Toronto is among the teams with strong interest and an offer in on Travis Hamonic. As you were @DarrenDreger I believe Toronto, Calgary, Detroit and Tampa Bay in hard. Arizona was also interested, but Hjalmarsson trade may change that. Detroit? Man, talk about a team in deep denial about where they are. Quote
WildCard Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 Detroit? Man, talk about a team in deep denial about where they are.Really taking the Vancouver approach it seems Quote
Tondas Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 What do the Rangers have that we want? #21 + ? Not what the Rangers have, but 8 + 21 gets the 2 first rounders that the Isles want for Hamonic. Quote
WildCard Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 Not what the Rangers have, but 8 + 21 gets the 2 first rounders that the Isles want for Hamonic.I really don't know anything about Hamonic. Is he even that good / worth it? Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 Stepan + Raanta for 7OA + DeAngelo is confirmed. Quote
Eleven Posted June 23, 2017 Report Posted June 23, 2017 Neither do I. The point production isn't even close and the cap hit is $6MM for both players. The only difference is 2 years of control for Panarin v. 4 years with Saad. Is that really worth a 30pt difference/yr? Someone tweeted that Saad is more valuable to Toews than Panarin is to Kane. And we're about to see whether Panarin really is that good without Kane. Someone else tweeted that Pekka Rinne has driven Stan Bowman to the point of insanity, which I found funny. Quote
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