Expansion draft and league-wide wheeling and dealing

[Derrico]

I'm sorry: Las Vegas gets to go through an Expansion draft, gets a high 1st round pick THEN gets to negotiate deals NOT to take players and could end up with say 3 1sts and more?

 

 

If I am a franchise stuck in the middle of the muck, I am wondering to myself is it better to fold and resurrect as an expansion team and set myself up for better success?

 

 

Why not just give Las Vegas more 1st rounders while we are at it

Do you have $500 million sitting in your account?

[Sabel79]

They paid in half a billion dollars for the team. Not that it's right, but this greases wheels.

 

Read an interview with Doug McClean the other day In which he was spitting fire about this. He had to deal not only with much more favorable rules for existing teams, but another expansion team. He was pissed about the bottom of the barrel (and also Geoff Sanderson) that he had to work with compared to the relative largesse being shown to Vegas. (They're still going to be terrible though, I can not stress that enough).

 

Still, nobody's going to sink that much money into a team if they field isn't somewhat tilted accordingly. It's how capitalism works. At least in the socialist world of North American pro sports.

[kas23]

I'm sorry: Las Vegas gets to go through an Expansion draft, gets a high 1st round pick THEN gets to negotiate deals NOT to take players and could end up with say 3 1sts and more?

 

 

If I am a franchise stuck in the middle of the muck, I am wondering to myself is it better to fold and resurrect as an expansion team and set myself up for better success?

 

 

Why not just give Las Vegas more 1st rounders while we are at it

But, this is basically what we went through 3-4 years ago. We took everyone's cast offs. Hit bottom. Got 2 top 2 picks, and at one point did have 3 1st round picks as well as a boat load of 2nd rounders. GMTM just traded most of them away.

[Randall Flagg]

I hope the Islanders give up a defensive asset for Eberle, so it's one less team we have to worry about in the WC race in the next few seasons.

[Eleven]

I'm sorry: Las Vegas gets to go through an Expansion draft, gets a high 1st round pick THEN gets to negotiate deals NOT to take players and could end up with say 3 1sts and more?

 

 

If I am a franchise stuck in the middle of the muck, I am wondering to myself is it better to fold and resurrect as an expansion team and set myself up for better success?

 

 

Why not just give Las Vegas more 1st rounders while we are at it

 

They're also stuck with the 6th overall pick, where past expansion teams have had the first or second.

 

There's no perfect system.

[WildCard]

I hope the Islanders give up a defensive asset for Eberle, so it's one less team we have to worry about in the WC race in the next few seasons.

They have to replace Okposo and appeal to Tavares to stay. They're going to be doing something to give him toys to play with 

[Huckleberry]

 

 

The Vegas Golden Knights reportedly have a deal in place with the New York Islanders “in which the Knights will receive the Islanders’ first-round draft pick (No. 15 overall) in Friday’s NHL Entry draft along with injured forward Mikhail Grabovski. In exchange, the Knights will take veteran forward Nikolai Kulemin in the Expansion Draft on Wednesday.” 

[Randall Flagg]

They have to replace Okposo and appeal to Tavares to stay. They're going to be doing something to give him toys to play with 

I don't know if I fully follow what that team has been doing: 

 

Let Okposo walk for cash reasons, sign a guy for 500K less per year who is several years older and already worse to replace him, while also letting Nielsen go

 

Miss the playoffs with abysmal forward depth 

 

go with 8 skaters so you can protect FIVE DEFENSEMEN, not one of which is Calvin De Haan

 

Leave second highest scoring forward unprotected along with several others that you now need to pay a mid 1st rounder so Vegas doesn't take, while they can still take a very solid defensemen and come away with your first 

 

Add to said forward depth by possibly trading for a gross hockey player in Eberle and giving up presumably one of those defensemen you chose to protect when you protected 5 d-men

 

I don't think that's how I would have gone about handling the roster over the past 1.5 years...

 

Edit: just saw the Grabovski/Kulemin thing. 

Edited June 20, 2017 by Randall Flagg

[Brawndo]

Tampa was able to strike a deal with Vegas, the Kings did not

[nucci]

I wouldn't because it would have probably saved Murray's job and Bylsma's (even though he was not coach yet). Would have given Murray a little more rope and the more I reflect the less upset I am about him being gone.

If they made the playoffs wouldn't that have meant Murray did a good job? I prefer making the playoffs than not

[WildCard]

Tampa was able to strike a deal with Vegas, the Kings did not

Details?

[darksabre]

George McPhee: "We're going to have to move some defencemen because we're going to claim a bunch."

[spndnchz]

I'm sorry: Las Vegas gets to go through an Expansion draft, gets a high 1st round pick THEN gets to negotiate deals NOT to take players and could end up with say 3 1sts and more?

 

 

If I am a franchise stuck in the middle of the muck, I am wondering to myself is it better to fold and resurrect as an expansion team and set myself up for better success?

 

 

Why not just give Las Vegas more 1st rounders while we are at it

 

Besides the picks, well kinda, every team in the NHL has access to those players that are unprotected if they wanted them.

[TheAud]

George McPhee: "We're going to have to move some defencemen because we're going to claim a bunch."

Please let one be Bogo 

 

#Bogogo

Edited June 20, 2017 by Sakman

[Huckleberry]

So deals that seem to be happening right now

 

CBJ giving their 1st 24 OA , clarkson contract and one of murray, calvert.

NYI giving their 1st 15 OA, for LV to take on Grabhovksi contract and kulemin.   ( seems a bit cheep for those two contracts)

TBL probably giving a 2nd and a prospect for LV to take garrison.

 

Don't think they can take any more heavy contracts.

[darksabre]

Please let one be Bogo 

 

#Bogogo

I would bet Kulikov over Bogo. 

[DarthEbriate]

George McPhee: "We're going to have to move some defencemen because we're going to claim a bunch."

Hypothetically, McPhee could do this with defencemen and goalies and just stockpile as trade bait. But.... how will it work in practice?

 

What if everyone just waits him out (like Snow did to get Leddy/other guy) a few years back? Eventually for cap compliance LV would be stuck taking whatever beans they can get, otherwise losing folks through waivers for nothing. I'd kind of like to see him take the top 12 D and then lose them for 5th round picks (or have to play them at forward come the season). I'd smile at the comeuppance.

 

Regardless, they'll have a pretty solid roster. Especially if they can garner some free agents after the draft. For example, take a SJ D like Braun. Then pick up Joe Thornton on a retirement UFA deal (to stay close to SJ) as a point-producer and seat-filler.

[dudacek]

Why shouldn't George load up on D?

He could probably get a second rounder for a half-dozen of them and more for a few.

 

Every team who loses one will be looking to replace him.

Edited June 20, 2017 by dudacek

[nfreeman]

So deals that seem to be happening right now

 

CBJ giving their 1st 24 OA , clarkson contract and one of murray, calvert.

NYI giving their 1st 15 OA, for LV to take on Grabhovksi contract and kulemin.   ( seems a bit cheep for those two contracts)

TBL probably giving a 2nd and a prospect for LV to take garrison.

 

Don't think they can take any more heavy contracts.

 

That doesn't bode well for them taking Moulson.

[darksabre]

Hypothetically, McPhee could do this with defencemen and goalies and just stockpile as trade bait. But.... how will it work in practice?

 

What if everyone just waits him out (like Snow did to get Leddy/other guy) a few years back? Eventually for cap compliance LV would be stuck taking whatever beans they can get, otherwise losing folks through waivers for nothing. I'd kind of like to see him take the top 12 D and then lose them for 5th round picks (or have to play them at forward come the season). I'd smile at the comeuppance.

 

Regardless, they'll have a pretty solid roster. Especially if they can garner some free agents after the draft. For example, take a SJ D like Braun. Then pick up Joe Thornton on a retirement UFA deal (to stay close to SJ) as a point-producer and seat-filler.

I think the idea is that even the lowest return on a desirable D or goalie (in a bidding war) is still better than taking a forward that you really don't want. 

[3putt]

this makes the most sense.^

[Brawndo]

That doesn't bode well for them taking Moulson.

Probably not, but quite a few of those deals are more we do not want you taking these players

[ddaryl]

I'm sorry: Las Vegas gets to go through an Expansion draft, gets a high 1st round pick THEN gets to negotiate deals NOT to take players and could end up with say 3 1sts and more?

 

 

If I am a franchise stuck in the middle of the muck, I am wondering to myself is it better to fold and resurrect as an expansion team and set myself up for better success?

 

 

Why not just give Las Vegas more 1st rounders while we are at it

 

 

Those 1st rd picks will take years to be ready so even if they all turnout to be great pros it will be 4 or 5 years before that all comes to fruition. They have an entire minor league team to build as well for depth and 3 1st rd picks will help that but its going to be extremely hard for an expansion team to become a playoff contender in short time...  

 

and if 1st rd picks were the only key to long term sucess why did 3 teams offer their 1st rd pick just to get a player off their books

 

 

much ado about nothign.. Vegas seems to be doing things well but they won't be contenders for some time

[LTS]

What if Buffalo offers to take on a 1 year bad contract from VGK in exchange for Moulson?

 

Wouldn't it be conceivable that VGK takes Grabovski... then flips him to Buffalo for Moulson?  VGK gets a player who can play for some money and the Sabres shorten the time their money is locked up in a bad contract (Grabovski is 1 year left right?)

 

That's just one example, but it comes down a finance exercise to realign committed dollars to the right length of time and player value.  Grabovski has no value, but Moulson has at least some.

[North Buffalo]

Mcphee stating he has six deals already in place...hmmm

https://www.nhl.com/news/golden-knights-george-mcphee-says-he-has-six-trades-lined-up/c-290012036?tid=289242400

Edited June 20, 2017 by North Buffalo