What do you think of trading Kane, signing Vanek?

[Randall Flagg]

Imagine prime Vanek catching Jack's passes and flicking them past goalies, all with hunched shoulders and a grimace. And then later-prime Vanek suddenly becoming a wizard passer, setting Jack up in space. 

 

[Norcal]

Vanek

[LGR4GM]

Imagine prime Vanek catching Jack's passes and flicking them past goalies, all with hunched shoulders and a grimace. And then later-prime Vanek suddenly becoming a wizard passer, setting Jack up in space.

 

 

Catching them wear? In the neutral zone, cuz Jack can skate circles around Vanek.

[DarthEbriate]

We can have Vanek and Moulson on the same line.

Yes! Now we're thinking outside the sphere.

 

Then we trade Kane straight up for someone to anchor that line. Another PP specialist, a bit on the slow side because of age, maybe was never known for defense....  definitely another left wing! Preferably over 35, preferably overpaid...  Get them to waive their NMC/NTC... Let's see who is out there. Daniel Sedin, Alex Ovechkin, Alexander Steen, Dustin Brown.    Kane for Steen!

:angel:

[MattPie]

Yes! Now we're thinking outside the sphere.

 

Then we trade Kane straight up for someone to anchor that line. Another PP specialist, a bit on the slow side because of age, maybe was never known for defense....  definitely another left wing! Preferably over 35, preferably overpaid...  Get them to waive their NMC/NTC... Let's see who is out there. Daniel Sedin, Alex Ovechkin, Alexander Steen, Dustin Brown.    Kane for Steen!

:angel:

 

I'm not sure Ovechkin fits on that list. Other than his cap hit (and even then, maybe), I'd take him on the team any day.

[Eleven]

A few things:

 

1.  This has not been "rumored."  It was proposed by Andrew Peters in an article on GR's website and was discussed on his show.

 

2.  Anyone who thinks Vanek is soft must have missed the amount of lumber he took over the years.

 

3.  I don't want them to trade Kane, but if they did, Vanek had five fewer points than Kane last year, in (I think) five fewer games.

[darksabre]

A few things:

 

1.  This has not been "rumored."  It was proposed by Andrew Peters in an article on GR's website and was discussed on his show.

 

2.  Anyone who thinks Vanek is soft must have missed the amount of lumber he took over the years.

 

3.  I don't want them to trade Kane, but if they did, Vanek had five fewer points than Kane last year, in (I think) five fewer games.

Thank you.

 

Listen, I wasn't the biggest Vanek fan when he was here, but I think hindsight has changed my opinion of him a lot. He was asked to do the things he couldn't do here, and failed accordingly. He's not a power forward. He's a finesse player who can do just one thing: score goals. And he still does that well. He was durable too.

 

Is he going to skate like Kane? No. But I bet if you put him on Jack's wing he's going to open up some space for Jack because he's a much better shooter than Kane. 

 

If Vanek came here, he'd be cheap, and he'd be a worthy stop-gap if the team isn't willing to commit to Kane long term. 

 

To me, that's what it comes down to. Is Kane a long term piece on this team? If not then Vanek would have a place here for a year or two. 

 

I think many of you would be surprised by how well he would do on Eichel's wing. 

 

 

[Sabre fan]

I also think that while everyone is laughing and whatever if we have no intention of re-signing Kane who will want (and get) big bucks then we really need to trade him now while his value is high. He is coming off a good year and many teams are keen to add him to their roster. If we can get a good defenseman in return, then that makes total sense.

 

Meanwhile, we then would have to add someone for offense, something Vanek is good at. As stated before, with Eichel Vanek would no doubt excel and should have many great opportunites. He always gets in front of the net and could clean up many of Jack's rebounds. We see Sam doing exactly what Vanek does best, taking a beating and hanging around the net. Vanek would take some of the beatings Sam will no doubt encounter. At the right price Vanek does seem to be at least worth considering ...

[LGR4GM]

Eichel Vanek would be garbage absolute garbage.

[North Buffalo]

I also think that while everyone is laughing and whatever if we have no intention of re-signing Kane who will want (and get) big bucks then we really need to trade him now while his value is high. He is coming off a good year and many teams are keen to add him to their roster. If we can get a good defenseman in return, then that makes total sense.

 

Meanwhile, we then would have to add someone for offense, something Vanek is good at. As stated before, with Eichel Vanek would no doubt excel and should have many great opportunites. He always gets in front of the net and could clean up many of Jack's rebounds. We see Sam doing exactly what Vanek does best, taking a beating and hanging around the net. Vanek would take some of the beatings Sam will no doubt encounter. At the right price Vanek does seem to be at least worth considering ...

Would need another forward who could grind and get back on D, thinking Carrier, but not sure.

[mjd1001]

I haven't changed my thoughts on Kane:

 

-If you can get him to sign an extension for decent market value (what you would pay a 25-30 goal winger), then I'd love to have him here and not trade him.

 

However, if he is going to want 7 years at $48 million or more...then you have to try to trade him. Its that simple for me.

[darksabre]

Eichel Vanek would be garbage absolute garbage.

Why? It seemed to work pretty good with Zetterberg. Come on, look at this highlight reel.

 

[Sabre fan]

I haven't changed my thoughts on Kane:

 

-If you can get him to sign an extension for decent market value (what you would pay a 25-30 goal winger), then I'd love to have him here and not trade him.

 

However, if he is going to want 7 years at $48 million or more...then you have to try to trade him. Its that simple for me.

agreed and trust me he'll want and get big bucks from someone like Anaheim...I do think a trade is the best thing at this point and then...Vanek???

[MattPie]

Why? It seemed to work pretty good with Zetterberg. Come on, look at this highlight reel.

 

 

The one at 7:14 doesn't count, it was a shootout goal against Lehner!

[darksabre]

The one at 7:14 doesn't count, it was a shootout goal against Lehner!

:lol:

[Randall Flagg]

Catching them wear? In the neutral zone, cuz Jack can skate circles around Vanek.

I explicitly said "prime" and "later-prime". As in, some window beginning in 2007 and ending at least 4, if not 5 or 6 years ago.

Edited May 26, 2017 by Randall Flagg

[ubkev]

The one at 7:14 doesn't count, it was a shootout goal against Lehner!

It counts! He's done that exact move 714 times in the shootout. He's scored on every single one of em.

[nfreeman]

There's a reason Vanek has bounced around the league since leaving here.

[Ogre]

There's a reason Vanek has bounced around the league since leaving here.

Because his top is made out of rubber

and his bottom is made out of springs?

Oh wait. That's Tigger. That's sorta how he was making his bets though...

[matter2003]

keep hearing that GMJBotto may be looking at moving Kane then signing Vanek to replace some of the lost offense. I loved Vanek as much as anybody but...I just don't know. I am kinda hoping to get younger and faster, not older and slower. We already have older and slower players (Moulson, Gorges) so I am not so sure this is a viable or exciting option. Do you?

I think if you are Going to move a proven goal scorer who clicked with Eichel you Damn well better get something more than an over-the-hill Vanek as a replacement

Edited May 27, 2017 by matter2003

[That Aud Smell]

Kane clicked with Eichel?

[LGR4GM]

agreed and trust me he'll want and get big bucks from someone like Anaheim...I do think a trade is the best thing at this point and then...Vanek???

So you want Vanek and that's the "some people" who are talking about it.

 

Vanek is slow. He isn't what Eichel needs. He isn't what O'Reilly needs. That puts him on the 3rd line at best and he doesn't play good enough defense for that.

There's a reason Vanek has bounced around the league since leaving here.

Yes, he has a limited skill set. Shoots well, tips picks well, and is decently sized to battle in front of the net.

 

Where are people in his skating? I'd say he is below Okposo and Reinhart.

[dudacek]

I'm pretty sure Vanek could score 20 goals on Eichel's wing next year.

It's just that we already have Ennis and Moulson and we are losing Kane.

We also want to start using our younger wingers.

 

If JBot really wants wingers that can skate and retrieve the puck, adding someone who can't do either seems like a step in the wrong direction.

[LGR4GM]

Basically anyone could score 20 goals on Eichel's wing.

 

The winger needs to be more then that.

Edited May 27, 2017 by LGR4GM

[dudacek]

Maybe Cy Hgsn, but Jerry D'Amigo, Zac Dalpe, Nick Deslauriers, Zenon Konopka, Matt Ellis, Brian Flynn, Phil Varone, Luke Adam, Cory Conacher, Matt D'Agostini, Ville Leino, Linus Omark, Kevin Porter, John Scott or Corey Tropp?

 

My God the tank gave us some bad hockey players.