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  1. 1. Who is your preference?

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That Aud Smell Hall of Famer

That Aud Smell

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To me it's about individual greatness vs team oriented greatness.

 

Ovechkin is a great individual player, but when I watch him play and compare him to a Crosby or Toews, he just doesn't do enough of the little things consistently enough to earn the right to be called a Champion.

 

More hmmm.

 

I'll hafta give that some thought.

 

In any case, the initial point about culture remains.

 

You don't install a winning culture, thereby become good/great players and a good/great team, and then win.

 

You win because you are good/great players on a good/great team, and thereby create a winning culture.

Thorner Hall of Famer

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To me it's about individual greatness vs team oriented greatness.

 

Ovechkin is a great individual player, but when I watch him play and compare him to a Crosby or Toews, he just doesn't do enough of the little things consistently enough to earn the right to be called a Champion.

He's also a winger, and that contributes. Centres are asked to have much more of an impact, just the way the pro game is. It's why Laine was never truly a consideration to be picked over Matthews for Toronto.

TrueBlueGED Hall of Famer

TrueBlueGED

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It's not that simple. Most good players want to be great... but there's a difference being be a great player and being part of winning culture.

 

You can be a great player without doing the little things it takes to win... relentless back check, blocking shots, sacrificing your body in every way imaginable just to win a game. Getting out of your comfort zone to contribute in ways that you aren't necessarily expected to.

 

When winning at all costs becomes the singular focus of the locker room, then you'll start to win consistently. However, as long as there are a few guys who aren't willing to do those little things... guys who only care about being in the league, collecting a paycheck, and putting up stats, then the team will not have consistent success.

 

It's more of a mindset than anything... when you take the ice, is your focus on protecting your spot on the team or on the scoreboard.

Man, Pat Kane isn't any of these things. People desperately want all of this cliché stuff to be true, and I just don't think it is. At least not in the general sense you put forth here. Some guys need it because they don't have the raw talent otherwise, but offensive stars just have to do what they do. Edited by TrueBlueGED
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Radar

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Man, Pat Kane isn't any of these things. People desperately want all of this cliché stuff to be true, and I just don't think it is. At least not in the general sense you put forth here. Some guys need it because they don't have the raw talent otherwise, but offensive stars just have to do what they do.

Pat Kane doesn't you're correct. Great talent.

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Man, Pat Kane isn't any of these things. People desperately want all of this cliché stuff to be true, and I just don't think it is. At least not in the general sense you put forth here. Some guys need it because they don't have the raw talent otherwise, but offensive stars just have to do what they do.

It's a team game. Your best player doesn't have to be doing these things, but someone has to. It takes a collection of players where the sum is greater than its parts.

LGR4GM Hall of Famer

LGR4GM

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Wgr had a good segment with a reporter from Pittsburgh. High praise for Botterill and indicated the only hold up is the series ending. Thinks it is a done deal.

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Sabel79

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This thread has been open for far, far too long

It's been open so long there's a fire the GM we haven't hired yet thread already; in which I'm not sure everyone's being ironic. 

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pi2000

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Consider there are infinite parallel universes (there are).

 

In atleast one of those universes game 7 of the WSH/PIT series never ends... ever.   

 

Perhaps we live in that universe.

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Randall Flagg

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Consider there are infinite parallel universes (there are).

 

In atleast one of those universes game 7 of the WSH/PIT series never ends... ever.   

 

Perhaps we live in that universe.

Did I miss this Nobel-prize-worthy discovery?

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Consider there are infinite parallel universes (there are).

 

In atleast one of those universes game 7 of the WSH/PIT series never ends... ever.   

 

Perhaps we live in that universe.

I wonder if there is a universe where the Bills won even one of those 4 Superbowls?  Nah.... can't believe it - in every alternate reality they lose them in unique, and ever more heartbreaking, fashion.  

Buffalo is the nexus of the negative realities that binds them all together.  

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I wonder if there is a universe where the Bills won even one of those 4 Superbowls?  Nah.... can't believe it - in every alternate reality they lose them in unique, and ever more heartbreaking, fashion.  

Buffalo is the nexus of the negative realities that binds them all together.  

 

So the question then is, is this best of all possible worlds, or the worst of all possible worlds? Both are depressing in their own, fun, way!

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I wonder if there is a universe where the Bills won even one of those 4 Superbowls?  Nah.... can't believe it - in every alternate reality they lose them in unique, and ever more heartbreaking, fashion.  

Buffalo is the nexus of the negative realities that binds them all together.  

 

There are some impoverished villages in Africa that think we won 4 superbowls. On the other hand, those same villagers also think the Patriots* has a perfect season.

MattPie All Star

MattPie

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I wonder if there is a universe where the Bills won even one of those 4 Superbowls?  Nah.... can't believe it - in every alternate reality they lose them in unique, and ever more heartbreaking, fashion.  

Buffalo is the nexus of the negative realities that binds them all together.  

 

My favorite is where Norwood kicks it square down the middle but it hits an errant flamingo and drops in the endzone. The flamingo was unharmed.

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Stoner Hall of Famer

Stoner

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Did I miss this Nobel-prize-worthy discovery?

Can you say it's not true? Sorry, but I think all y'all are making this stuff up as you go. Most creative=biggest genius.

 

My favorite is where Norwood kicks it square down the middle but it hits an errant flamingo and drops in the endzone. The flamingo was unharmed.

How would that be ruled? Seriously. Re-kick?

MattPie All Star

MattPie

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Can you say it's not true? Sorry, but I think all y'all are making this stuff up as you go. Most creative=biggest genius.

 

How would that be ruled? Seriously. Re-kick?

 

My guess? Natural effect like a gust of wind. Even when cameras pick up Bill Parcell's son shooing Flamingos in the end zone Sean Connery Indiana Jones-style.

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