Hypothetically, Hischier or Patrick make Reinhart expendable?

[sabills]

I'd go further. I trade the pick and Lehner to Anaheim for a defenseman and ____.

 

Only if we sign Peterson this offseason. I could live with Nilsson (or other replacement level goalie) and Ullmark for a year, but Peterson sounds like a stud, and I need to know we have some options coming down the line.

[darksabre]

Only if we sign Peterson this offseason. I could live with Nilsson (or other replacement level goalie) and Ullmark for a year, but Peterson sounds like a stud, and I need to know we have some options coming down the line.

Good point. If we have Peterson signed we don't need to bridge Lehner. 

[LGR4GM]

Good point. If we have Peterson signed we don't need to bridge Lehner. 

bold strategy cotton, trade the GT you spent a first round pick to get after only 1 full season of him playing. Not sure I would take that plunge.

[darksabre]

bold strategy cotton, trade the GT you spent a first round pick to get after only 1 full season of him playing. Not sure I would take that plunge.

I'm all about giving zero f*cks. I give zeroer f*cks than GMTM. 

 

I actually think Lehner has increased his value this season. If you can flip him to a team that will be happy to sign him for a pretty good price, he's definitely trade bait. More so than he was when we acquired him. 

[LGR4GM]

I'm all about giving zero f*cks. I give zeroer f*cks than GMTM. 

 

I actually think Lehner has increased his value this season. If you can flip him to a team that will be happy to sign him for a pretty good price, he's definitely trade bait. More so than he was when we acquired him. 

Could send him to Dallas. They desperately need a goalie. Julius Honka interests me there. 

 

Lehner for Lehtonen and Honka? We would have to take a 1yr cap dump from Dallas to really make it work.

Edited April 13, 2017 by LGR4GM

[Crusader1969]

why would Anaheim trade for Lehner? they already have their goaltender.

[sabills]

The general problem for trading a goaltender for a Defenseman is that Defensemen are WAY more valuable at this point. Look at what it took for Edmonton to get Adam Larsson for Pete's sake. I don't think Lehner and the #1 is as valuable as it needs to be to get a top-3 d-man.

[darksabre]

why would Anaheim trade for Lehner? they already have their goaltender.

Do they? Last I checked they're rolling a platoon there with Gibson and Bernier, and Bernier is a UFA. 

Could send him to Dallas. They desperately need a goalie. Julius Honka interests me there. 

 

Lehner for Lehtonen and Honka? We would have to take a 1yr cap dump from Dallas to really make it work.

Hm. Maybe. I would suffer the cap dump if I thought Ullmark was ready. 

The general problem for trading a goaltender for a Defenseman is that Defensemen are WAY more valuable at this point. Look at what it took for Edmonton to get Adam Larsson for Pete's sake. I don't think Lehner and the #1 is as valuable as it needs to be to get a top-3 d-man.

I disagree. Lehner and a 1st is pretty close to the right value for a top 3 d-man. 

[TrueBlueGED]

Win the lottery, we trade the pick to Carolina for Justin Faulk or Noah Hanifin (add flavour to the deal as needed)

 

Oh my. Our rational, level-headed Dudacek has been possessed by the ghost of Wookie's past. :p

[Eleven]

Oh my. Our rational, level-headed Dudacek has been possessed by the ghost of Wookie's past. :P

 

Not really; it's close to what Hamilton and White were discussing this morning.

[TrueBlueGED]

Not really; it's close to what Hamilton and White were discussing this morning.

 

No way does the #1/2 in this draft get us their best Dman. 

[sabills]

 

Lehner for Lehtonen and Honka? We would have to take a 1yr cap dump from Dallas to really make it work.

 

 

Hm. Maybe. I would suffer the cap dump if I thought Ullmark was ready. 

 

Moneywise at current rates, you're talking 3.25m (Lehner and Nilsson) out and 5.75m (Lehtonen and Ullmark) in, adding 2.5m on the cap for a year from where we are now. Not sure this is the year I want to be adding money to our cap with deals for Kane, Eichel, and Reinhart on the way, but maybe this is the last year to get away with it.

[LGR4GM]

Moneywise at current rates, you're talking 3.25m (Lehner and Nilsson) out and 5.75m (Lehtonen and Ullmark) in, adding 2.5m on the cap for a year from where we are now. Not sure this is the year I want to be adding money to our cap with deals for Kane, Eichel, and Reinhart on the way, but maybe this is the last year to get away with it.

It would be the last year to get away with it. It doesn't matter if we add to the cap this year. Reinhart, Eichel, and Kane's new deals won't have any impact on our cap until 2018/19 season.

[sabills]

I disagree. Lehner and a 1st is pretty close to the right value for a top 3 d-man. 

 

Those deals are nutso these days.

[Eleven]

No way does the #1/2 in this draft get us their best Dman. 

 

They are shopping Hanifin and need young forwards badly.  It is not unreasonable at all.

 

I think Reinhart is going to go for him, though.

[TrueBlueGED]

They are shopping Hanifin and need young forwards badly.  It is not unreasonable at all.

 

I think Reinhart is going to go for him, though.

 

I think the pick might be able to get Hanifin. Not Faulk though. 

[Eleven]

I think the pick might be able to get Hanifin. Not Faulk though. 

 

I don't think they're going to trade Faulk at all.

[darksabre]

I'm still wondering if we even need to trade for a defenseman. In theory firing Bylsma should be a big help​ for our D. A coach who asks Risto, Bogo, McCabe, and Guhle to activate offensively​ should get a lot more out of that group than Dan has/will.

[Eleven]

I'm still wondering if we even need to trade for a defenseman. In theory firing Bylsma should be a big help​ for our D. A coach who asks Risto, Bogo, McCabe, and Guhle to activate offensively​ should get a lot more out of that group than Dan has/will.

 

Fair point.

[TrueBlueGED]

I don't think they're going to trade Faulk at all.

 

Agreed, hence my reply to Dudacek where he posited the #1 for Faulk. 

 

 

I'm still wondering if we even need to trade for a defenseman. In theory firing Bylsma should be a big help​ for our D. A coach who asks Risto, Bogo, McCabe, and Guhle to activate offensively​ should get a lot more out of that group than Dan has/will.

 

I would like to formally request you getout.gif yourself. The defense becoming less bad with better coaching isn't good enough. We need two defensemen: a puck mover, and a defensive specialist who can eat tough minutes and free up Risto to be more aggressive offensively. The latter might kill a bird and a half with one stone, and might be preferable if we have to choose just 1.

Edited April 13, 2017 by TrueBlueGED

[WildCard]

Agreed, hence my reply to Dudacek where he posited the #1 for Faulk. 

 

 

 

I would like to formally request you getout.gif yourself. The defense becoming less bad with better coaching isn't good enough. We need two defensemen: a puck mover, and a defensive specialist who can eat tough minutes and free up Risto to be more aggressive offensively. The latter might kill a bird and a half with one stone, and might be preferable if we have to choose just 1.

Did you just say we need a defensive defensemen?

[TrueBlueGED]

Did you just say we need a defensive defensemen?

 

Yes. But an actual defensive defenseman, not a guy who is useless offensively so people just assume he has defensive value. 

[WildCard]

Yes. But an actual defensive defenseman, not a guy who is useless offensively so people just assume he has defensive value. 

That sounds like who? Tallinder?

[TrueBlueGED]

That sounds like who? Tallinder?

 

Before he was broken, yea. Basically I'm warming to the idea of adding a Brodin-type. It's not my ideal, but if I'm right and Murray won't be able to add two legit top-4 options, maybe it'd be better to get someone to eat the tough minutes and let Risto be our offensive catalyst? Put differently, I'm becoming more convinced that Risto just can't handle the work he's been given, and would be better off being allowed to free-wheel offensively.

 

Ideally we can add a Brodin and a Fowler and run a balanced top-4, but realistically, I'm not sure that's possible.

 

Edit: Put differently, if we add a puck mover and only a puck mover, that likely means Risto remains in the shutdown role that he is ill-suited for. If we add a shutdown type, Risto moves to the puck mover role and it's kind of like improving the D in multiple ways with a single move.

Edited April 13, 2017 by TrueBlueGED

[darksabre]

Before he was broken, yea. Basically I'm warming to the idea of adding a Brodin-type. It's not my ideal, but if I'm right and Murray won't be able to add two legit top-4 options, maybe it'd be better to get someone to eat the tough minutes and let Risto be our offensive catalyst? Put differently, I'm becoming more convinced that Risto just can't handle the work he's been given, and would be better off being allowed to free-wheel offensively.

 

Ideally we can add a Brodin and a Fowler and run a balanced top-4, but realistically, I'm not sure that's possible.

 

Edit: Put differently, if we add a puck mover and only a puck mover, that likely means Risto remains in the shutdown role that he is ill-suited for. If we add a shutdown type, Risto moves to the puck mover role and it's kind of like improving the D in multiple ways with a single move.

And in theory that move should come cheaper. Basically I want to replace Gorges with someone better. I think that's doable.