Reinhart Dressed and Benched; Late to Meeting

[Georgia Blizzard]

Who do optics matter to?  You?  Because right now you and I know the same amount about the situation and I certainly don't feel the same way.  Whose reality are we in?

 

Look at the quotes in those articles. Trotz called Ovechkin not playing for "personal reasons" and Ovechkin owned the alarm clock.  

 

Finally, you are not accepting the fact that Reinhart had to dress and be on the bench.  You can't not accept that.  The Okposo sickness happened late enough that Reinhart had to dress.  No one is debating that.  Even IF you want to debate why the Sabres didn't have another player ready you can't put that on this situation.

 

What GM or Coach sits around and says, "Hey, I should have this player scratched most nights just in case I have a player who misses a meeting and another who gets ill right at the last minute?"  Doesn't happen. 

 

That's not my point.

 

My point is simple, once it was clear that Reinhart had to dress, DD should have pivoted to a different punishment, instead of a full game dressed on the bench he could have:

1- one period on bench (he could say, guys, normally Sam would get a full game, but, since he has to dress it's going to be one period, because, as we all know, that's going to very public and very shaming)

2- scratch on Sunday vs. NYI

3- some other behind the scenes punishment

 

DD chose to literally humiliate a 20-year, 2nd overall pick, who is suppose to be a cornerstone for this franchise.

 

The guy has no subtly, no deftness, no nothing

 

 

Said another way, dressing and benching is MUCH WORSE than sitting in press box and being scratched.  The punishment didn't fit the crime.  And, if the crime is that much worse than being late to a meeting, why is Gio out there saying is was something minor ????

[LTS]

I don't doubt this is all true. 

 

I just find Bylsma's methods overly simplistic and likely ineffective. 

 

What method though?  Benching?  I think we can accept that it happens to players all the time. Ovechkin was benched for the alarm clock incident.

 

That's not my point.

 

My point is simple, once it was clear that Reinhart had to dress, DD should have pivoted to a different punishment, instead of a full game dressed on the bench he could have:

1- one period on bench (he could say, guys, normally Sam would get a full game, but, since he has to dress it's going to be one period, because, as we all know, that's going to very public and very shaming)

2- scratch on Sunday vs. NYI

3- some other behind the scenes punishment

 

DD chose to literally humiliate a 20-year, 2nd overall pick, who is suppose to be a cornerstone for this franchise.

 

The guy has no subtly, no deftness, no nothing

 

 

Said another way, dressing and benching is MUCH WORSE than sitting in press box and being scratched.  The punishment didn't fit the crime.  And, if the crime is that much worse than being late to a meeting, why is Gio out there saying is was something minor ????

 

Who put Reinhart in the situation?  It wasn't his coach.  Reinhart missed the meeting and thus created the entire reality of possibilities that could have occurred from that point on.

 

You don't delay punishment or do it when it's convenient.  It's not punishment then.

 

What lesson does Reinhart learn more from?

 

Oh, I missed a meeting but they'll suspend me when it's convenient for the team to not be impacted as much.

 

or

 

I missed a meeting and I earned the right to be suspended and because we have a player out suspended, and two injured, and then one got sick I am now forced to dress and sit on the bench. My team is significantly impacted by my lack of discipline.

 

I am 100% fine with Bylsma benching Reinhart.  I don't know why he was on the bench the whole game and since I don't I'm not judging anything in that regard until I do.

 

Overall, I blame Reinhart 100% for this situation. If he doesn't miss the meeting none of the other issues would have occurred.

[darksabre]

Your bias is showing.

Of course it's showing. That's the point. I vehemently disagree with everything Dan does because the sum total of his policies as a coach are total garbage. He has zero credibility. 

 

What method though?  Benching?  I think we can accept that it happens to players all the time. Ovechkin was benched for the alarm clock incident.

 

I've already explained. You'll have to go back and read my posts. I think there was a smarter way to handle last night's situation with creativity and flexibility in order to achieve the same result but in a much more productive manner. 

[Randall Flagg]

I'm as predisposed to hate Bylsma and blame him for this as any member of this board. I still kind of want to, because I am only human. But I can't bring myself to care about this. The ONLY question I have is with Vogl's phrasing when he mentioned an 'increase in punishment'. I want to know if Samson did two things wrong or mouthed off, or if Vogl means that after Eich missed a meeting Dan made it known that the punishment was going to increase for each offense. 

 

I want Dan punishing players for missing meetings. I don't think this was outrageous. 

I don't want this taking away from time we could spend posting about his system :) 

[MattPie]

I wonder when the last time a Sabre (or NHL) skater had :00 ice time in a game. Peters, maybe? Val James? Seems like something from the 70s where your enforcer sat on the bench menacingly waiting for a bench-clearer.

[sabills]

This is the biggest non-story of the season.

[SwampD]

I sure hope Dan gives all the players a participation award at the end of the season. They can keep them under their pillows and stare at them before they go to sleep all summer. I just don't see how they are all going to make it to next season, otherwise.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

I sure hope Dan gives all the players a participation award at the end of the season. They can keep them under their pillows and stare at them before they go to sleep all summer. I just don't see how they are all going to make it to next season, otherwise.

 

Hello SmarmD,

 

Welcome to the board.

 

Your avatar looks familiar and your post count is outrageous.

 

+++++

 

It is obvious that if you don't like the coach you feel this is a stupid decision.  If you like the coach, or maybe are on the fence, this is acceptable.

[sabills]

Hello SmarmD,

 

Welcome to the board.

 

Your avatar looks familiar and your post count is outrageous.

 

+++++

 

It is obvious that if you don't like the coach you feel this is a stupid decision.  If you like the coach, or maybe are on the fence, this is acceptable.

 

I don't like the coach and still could not care any less.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

I don't like the coach and still could not care any less.

 

That was going to be my third option, but I got distracted before I could type it ... damn clients, always distracting me from my important Sabrespace work ... 

[Randall Flagg]

I don't like the coach and still could not care any less.

Same

[darksabre]

I don't think anyone is really making this into a big deal, no? I just think for many of us it's just another small piece of the "Dan Bylsma is garbage" puzzle.

[WildCard]

For me it's just another reason to hope he gets fired after he's roasted in the player exit interviews

[Sabres Fan in NS]

I don't think anyone is really making this into a big deal, no? I just think for many of us it's just another small piece of the "Dan Bylsma is garbage" puzzle.

 

I disagree.

 

This thread is on it's 4th page and one full page (or so) is you and SwampD going at each other.  It certainly appears that it is a big deal.

[darksabre]

I disagree.

 

This thread is on it's 4th page and one full page (or so) is you and SwampD going at each other. It certainly appears that it is a big deal.

I hardly consider that a big deal.

[jsb]

I sure hope Dan gives all the players a participation award at the end of the season. They can keep them under their pillows and stare at them before they go to sleep all summer. I just don't see how they are all going to make it to next season, otherwise.

SmarmD, you are fighting the good fight but with D4rksabre, TrueBlueGED, WildCard and Taro T you are up against the.... They will never give up their quest.

Edited March 29, 2017 by jsb

[TrueBlueGED]

I disagree.

 

This thread is on it's 4th page and one full page (or so) is you and SwampD going at each other. It certainly appears that it is a big deal.

I know there's been a lot of discussion, but I don't think anyone has been especially intense about it. It's just a small proxy skirmish in the Great Bylsma War :)

SmarmD, you are fighting the good fight but with D4rksabre, TrueBlueGED, WildCard and Taro T you are up against the.... They will never give up their quest.

I fully admit to being on a crusade against Bylsma. I think he's a coach, we'll never win more than a playoff series with him, and his continued existence meaningfully reduces my enjoyment of following the team. Even of you disagree, I'd like to think, as a fan, you can appreciate that last point. Edited March 29, 2017 by TrueBlueGED

[SwampD]

I love this thread.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

I hardly consider that a big deal.

 

How do explain the fact that you called someone you disagree with and are having this discussion with a troll?

 

Rather odd if, indeed, you think this is not a big deal, no?

[Georgia Blizzard]

What method though?  Benching?  I think we can accept that it happens to players all the time. Ovechkin was benched for the alarm clock incident.

 

 

Who put Reinhart in the situation?  It wasn't his coach.  Reinhart missed the meeting and thus created the entire reality of possibilities that could have occurred from that point on.

 

You don't delay punishment or do it when it's convenient.  It's not punishment then.

 

What lesson does Reinhart learn more from?

 

Oh, I missed a meeting but they'll suspend me when it's convenient for the team to not be impacted as much.

 

or

 

I missed a meeting and I earned the right to be suspended and because we have a player out suspended, and two injured, and then one got sick I am now forced to dress and sit on the bench. My team is significantly impacted by my lack of discipline.

 

I am 100% fine with Bylsma benching Reinhart.  I don't know why he was on the bench the whole game and since I don't I'm not judging anything in that regard until I do.

 

Overall, I blame Reinhart 100% for this situation. If he doesn't miss the meeting none of the other issues would have occurred.

 

So, in your opinion is there a difference between dressing and sitting on bench vs. in a suit in the press box in terms of degree of punishment ?

 

If you think there isn't, any further discussion is pointless

 

If you think there is, which I do, then DD was as much in the wrong as Reinhart

 

I never said not to punish him, I've only said, based on what we know (a reported lateness to meeting, and Gio saying it was "something small"), said punishment is too severe.

 

You seem to be comfortable taking the position that there must be more to it --- why not the position based on what you know and react

[LTS]

Of course it's showing. That's the point. I vehemently disagree with everything Dan does because the sum total of his policies as a coach are total garbage. He has zero credibility. 

 

I've already explained. You'll have to go back and read my posts. I think there was a smarter way to handle last night's situation with creativity and flexibility in order to achieve the same result but in a much more productive manner. 

 

In which case I addressed your "alternative" methods in addressing it because it's along the lines of what Georgia was putting out there.  

 

For me it's just another reason to hope he gets fired after he's roasted in the player exit interviews

 

So what do you do if Eichel and Reinhart blast Bylsma and O'Reilly, Okposo, and Kane support him?  I am sure you say that you dump Bylsma and then trade O'Reilly, Okposo, and Kane.  Where does that really leave the team however?  I want Bylsma gone but I think the situation is a bit more complicated.

[Huckleberry]

Have said all I wanted to say, rant over :)

[Claude Balls]

This is the biggest non-story of the season.

Agreed. Not a big deal disciplining a player. If Sam chose to sit on the bench himself for the whole game, then this is no big deal. If DB made him, then it's a bit more of an issue with me. Either way it happened, it's over so move on. But either way, I still want DB fired.

[WildCard]

In which case I addressed your "alternative" methods in addressing it because it's along the lines of what Georgia was putting out there.  

 

 

So what do you do if Eichel and Reinhart blast Bylsma and O'Reilly, Okposo, and Kane support him?  I am sure you say that you dump Bylsma and then trade O'Reilly, Okposo, and Kane.  Where does that really leave the team however?  I want Bylsma gone but I think the situation is a bit more complicated.

I wouldnt' trade them if they supported him, I'd just think they're being loyal or morons :lol:

[Huckleberry]

In which case I addressed your "alternative" methods in addressing it because it's along the lines of what Georgia was putting out there.  

 

 

So what do you do if Eichel and Reinhart blast Bylsma and O'Reilly, Okposo, and Kane support him?  I am sure you say that you dump Bylsma and then trade O'Reilly, Okposo, and Kane.  Where does that really leave the team however?  I want Bylsma gone but I think the situation is a bit more complicated.

 

Don't think there really is a rift between young and old like what is being reported by the media