Buffalo Bills 2017-18

[jeffismagic]

Hopefully Kizer works out, the and the Jets / 49s fall in love with Darnold, Mayfield, or Rudolph. Doubtful, but I'm hoping for it

 

That's the issue I have with seeking perfect QB's or can't miss prospects. When a Luck or Winston comes out you need to be in last place or you don't get them. Why not have a team get good scouts that can find the next Derek Carr, R Wilson, Dak Prescott, or Aaron Rodgers?

 

The Bills might luck into someone next year but please don't tell me there is some grand plan or strategy.

[WildCard]

That's the issue I have with seeking perfect QB's or can't miss prospects. When a Luck or Winston comes out you need to be in last place or you don't get them. Why not have a team get good scouts that can find the next Derek Carr, R Wilson, Dak Prescott, or Aaron Rodgers?

 

The Bills might luck into someone next year but please don't tell me there is some grand plan or strategy.

But, that's all you've been saying about Mahomes this entire thread. 

[jeffismagic]

But, that's all you've been saying about Mahomes this entire thread. 

 

No. He was not a perfect prospect. He played in an Air Raid spread offense ( no Air Raid QB's have ever amounted to anything). He had bad footwork and never took snaps under center.

 

These flaws were the opportunity to get him without a top 5 pick. Aaron Rodgers fell because no Tedford system QB had done anything but bust. I have been very clear that Mahomes was not perfect and that was why I was excited. For once, maybe my team could get the discount.

[WildCard]

Well, I am sure you are better at evaluating QB's than John Gruden, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, NY Giants front office, and the Steelers. Mahomes was a great QB prospect that the top QB people in the NFL could not stop talking about. Comparing him to TT is so asinine I have no other words. 

 

And when you have a guy running free at the QB you don't "go through progressions". You have to throw the ball away or make the D miss. 

Sounds pretty 'can't miss' 

[jeffismagic]

Sounds pretty 'can't miss' 

 

To those who could read the tea leaves. Not the greater NFL community which included guys like Sean the Wrestler.

[WildCard]

To those who could read the tea leaves. Not the greater NFL community which included guys like Sean the Wrestler.

If every QB that Jon Gruden salivated over turned out to be a franchise QB, every team in the league would have one.

As for anecdotal stories about war room conversations, word was that Philadelphia, super front office that they are, were all in on EJ Manuel.

Fact is, for the millionth time, no one knows and if someone did, they would be the wealthiest man in America

[That Aud Smell]

Woooooooooo slow down there. Mahomes was a decent QB prospect with a bunch of question marks coming out of college. This wasn't Jameis Winston. 

 

We are for realz in the concept of Mahomes territory. 

 

F'real.

 

He seemed very much a boom/bust proposition. We'll see, I guess.

 

God, I hope he stinks.

 

The dude is already losing the locker room with his college coach routine. 

 

Source?

[tom webster]

To those who could read the tea leaves. Not the greater NFL community which included guys like Sean the Wrestler.

So he's can't miss. How much you looking to wager on that?

[jeffismagic]

So he's can't miss. How much you looking to wager on that?

 

Tell me what you are thinking. Looks like he is on schedule to be the starting QB next year on a loaded Chiefs team. If A Smith gets injured this year for any length of time I believe Mahomes takes the job this year.

[pi2000]

I live in Buffalo. I suppose UB would be my team if they were any good.

 

So you're a fair weather fan.... explains a lot.

[tom webster]

Tell me what you are thinking. Looks like he is on schedule to be the starting QB next year on a loaded Chiefs team. If A Smith gets injured this year for any length of time I believe Mahomes takes the job this year.

It's already been established that starting QB does not constitute "making it."

Only way your position is justified is if he becomes a franchise a QB and Bills don't have theirs by next year.

So, by 2020, he's a franchise QB, considered by his peers to be top 5, the Chiefs are AFC Super Bowl contenders and the Bills didn't find a better QB by May, 2018.

[WildCard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EQJnJqYVE4

 

Kizer with some accuracy issues here. Gotta love his feet, arm strength and pocket presence though. He pocket presence is something I envy 

And Mitch easily looking better than both 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9URjC1pUv1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-aCD4SgP2A

 

And Watson being Watson; can't throw to an open man to save his life. 

[jeffismagic]

It's already been established that starting QB does not constitute "making it."

Only way your position is justified is if he becomes a franchise a QB and Bills don't have theirs by next year.

So, by 2020, he's a franchise QB, considered by his peers to be top 5, the Chiefs are AFC Super Bowl contenders and the Bills didn't find a better QB by May, 2018.

Moving the goalposts?

[tom webster]

Moving the goalposts?

What are you talking about. You have gone on and on about him being the best prospect since Big Ben. Winning the starting job over a guy who is no better then TT isn't a franchise QB. If all he is is Andy Dalton or RGIII, then the Bils made the right choice.

[jeffismagic]

What are you talking about. You have gone on and on about him being the best prospect since Big Ben. Winning the starting job over a guy who is no better then TT isn't a franchise QB. If all he is is Andy Dalton or RGIII, then the Bils made the right choice.

That's rather random. So the Bills would be smart to pass on a QB that leads them to the playoffs multiple times?

[tom webster]

That's rather random. So the Bills would be smart to pass on a QB that leads them to the playoffs multiple times?

If the ceiling is Anfy Dalton, yes. TT is just as good. And if PM isn't capable of being better then Alex Smith then the Chiefs made a huge mistake.

Edited August 22, 2017 by tom webster

[inkman]

Don't quit your day job.

So I was watched the "Highlights" from Mahomes for the first time last night. Perhaps my expectations were a bit lofty due to someone's constant fellating of said QB prospect. What I saw was...um... Not what I was expecting. Maybe he'll turn out great but nothing I saw in that video gave a clear indication of his greatness. Honestly, I'm having a hard time differenting his performance from Peterman's. Both seemed average to below average NFL QBs.

[jeffismagic]

So I was watched the "Highlights" from Mahomes for the first time last night. Perhaps my expectations were a bit lofty due to someone's constant fellating of said QB prospect. What I saw was...um... Not what I was expecting. Maybe he'll turn out great but nothing I saw in that video gave a clear indication of his greatness. Honestly, I'm having a hard time differenting his performance from Peterman's. Both seemed average to below average NFL QBs.

Hey, you either see it or you don't. Not everyone will see it. As for Peterman, he struggled under pressure completing only 1 of 8 passes for 7 yards. Mahomes excelled under pressure in preseason and in college. He routinely avoided sacks while evading free blitzers. Peterman has a rag arm and was run out of town in Tennessee. Mahomes was not only talented but the most productive college QB.

 

But I get why Peterman is thought to look good. You just have to have red and blue glasses on.

If the ceiling is Anfy Dalton, yes. TT is just as good. And if PM isn't capable of being better then Alex Smith then the Chiefs made a huge mistake.

Alex Smith is far better than Tyrod. He can complete basic NFL passes.

 

But back to your bet. In order to make it you are completely misunderstanding my position. I said Mahomes was the best QB prospect since Big Ben that I thought the Bills had a chance at drafting. That's an important caveat from the statement you assigned me.

Edited August 22, 2017 by jeffismagic

[tom webster]

Hey, you either see it or you don't. Not everyone will see it. As for Peterman, he struggled under pressure completing only 1 of 8 passes for 7 yards. Mahomes excelled under pressure in preseason and in college. He routinely avoided sacks while evading free blitzers. Peterman has a rag arm and was run out of town in Tennessee. Mahomes was not only talented but the most productive college QB.

 

But I get why Peterman is thought to look good. You just have to have red and blue glasses on.

Alex Smith is far better than Tyrod. He can complete basic NFL passes.

 

But back to your bet. In order to make it you are completely misunderstanding my position. I said Mahomes was the best QB prospect since Big Ben that I thought the Bills had a chance at drafting. That's an important caveat from the statement you assigned me.

So what does that mean? What's the ceiling? Will he be a top 5 guy like Ben or mediocre like Smith?

[jeffismagic]

So what does that mean? What's the ceiling? Will he be a top 5 guy like Ben or mediocre like Smith?

His ceiling is high but like most NFL prospects there is no guarantee. I like him enough to have drafted him over Sean Jauron's plan to draft another first round DB to replace the player we let go to free agency.

[LGR4GM]

Here's the thing about college football and being the most productive, it really depends on who you play. First instance the SEC. They had 4 of the top 20 defenses in college football. The big 12 from my quick look had 0 in the top 50 or at least 0 that Mahomes saw. Someone double check but I didn't see one.

 

So why does this matter? Well in good conferences, ACC. SEC. Big10. They all have to play defense because the other schools can. There aren't a lot of 50+ point shootouts. There's multiple good teams in conference with good defenses.

 

All I'm saying is Mahomes doing great in a mediocre conference may be good but it isn't like be played Ohio State every year and owned them. Hell in his record setting Oklahoma game they lost 59-66. That was a show of game.

[jeffismagic]

Here's the thing about college football and being the most productive, it really depends on who you play. First instance the SEC. They had 4 of the top 20 defenses in college football. The big 12 from my quick look had 0 in the top 50 or at least 0 that Mahomes saw. Someone double check but I didn't see one.

 

So why does this matter? Well in good conferences, ACC. SEC. Big10. They all have to play defense because the other schools can. There aren't a lot of 50+ point shootouts. There's multiple good teams in conference with good defenses.

 

All I'm saying is Mahomes doing great in a mediocre conference may be good but it isn't like be played Ohio State every year and owned them. Hell in his record setting Oklahoma game they lost 59-66. That was a ###### show of game.

Productivity plus Talent is what analytics based people look for. Mahomes was the #1QB in the draft based on a Productivity + Athletic Measurables approach.

[LGR4GM]

Productivity plus Talent is what analytics based people look for. Mahomes was the #1QB in the draft based on a Productivity + Athletic Measurables approach.

And? Do we know that one of the 2018 qbs won't also be good and available? Because that's clearly the plan.

 

I get being mad we didn't draft him but every post is about Mahomes.

[That Aud Smell]

If the ceiling is Andy Dalton, yes. TT is just as good. And if PM isn't capable of being better then Alex Smith then the Chiefs made a huge mistake.

 

Hmmm. I'm really not so sure about that. And I'm not some huge fan of the Red Ryder.

[jeffismagic]

And? Do we know that one of the 2018 qbs won't also be good and available? Because that's clearly the plan.

 

I get being mad we didn't draft him but every ###### post is about Mahomes.

 

Hey, I did bring him up as an example of the Bills terrible approach at improving the QB position. Others wanted to discuss him with me. Feel free to discuss whatever you want when it comes to the Bills. I will continue to go on about QB's because this organization has no clue. And how do you know there is a plan? Is that wishful thinking or is there something more to it?

 

The Bills are taking a QB in 2018 originated from Bills ass kisser Sal C who came up with that concept after the Bills traded down and drafted a CB again. All I see is random noise. There is no evidence that Beane and McDermott have some grand future in store for us.