That Aud Smell Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 This is where we differ. I've reached the point where I'm no longer giving them the benefit of the doubt. Not only is their track record dog ###### through 2 owners and countless GM's and Head Coaches but they continually make head scratching decisions that don't seem to align with trying to win, whether it's hiring Rex Ryan to sell tickets, keeping Russ Brandon, giving too much power to a first time head coach, pumping up his non-football related qualities, trading one of their most talented players, and letting another one walk for nothing. It's a metaphysical sort of decision, I will admit. I prefer to hold out hope whenever reasonably possible. It makes me feel better than harboring negative expectations.
jeffismagic Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 I can't recall where I heard or read it -- it might have been Sal C. at WGR talking about an article he read elsewhere -- but there is a growing trend across of the league of having the GM be more of a business-based asset manager, not a talent evaluator. I have my reservations, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt until experience teaches me I should not. I used to like Sal C but he spins harder than John Murphy these days. I agree that it is possible Beane could work. I just think the process where we got here sucked and that's worth noting. Many have said they are glad Beane is here because Whaley had a background in scouting so we should get someone without that background. I disagree that the Bills are smarter than the best drafting teams in football who hire their GM's with incredible credentials. Look at how Seattle became a powerhouse after hiring John Schneider who has been an incredible drafter. And Pete did not know John before he was hired. He hired him because he got glowing reports of Schneider's eye for football talent.
That Aud Smell Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) As for Sal C, he was referencing an article someone else had written -- here it is, actually: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-old-school-super-scout-gms-are-an-endangered-species-in-the-nfl/ "They don't want a road scout as their GM," the executive opined. "I really think those days are over. That blue-collar guy who spent all of his time looking at players and eating at Applebee's or Chili's or whatever -- who had his spots in each college town to eat or drink and that's what they talk about. That's not what they're looking at anymore. That's not what they relate to." Edited August 16, 2017 by That Aud Smell
pi2000 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 Honestly I'm not sure why most of you guys even follow the Bills. It's ###### miserable in here I've become immune to the kool-aid One Bills Drive pours out every year. The fact remains, they have little chance at the playoffs because of a mediocre QB and having the most dominant team and greatest Headcoach/QB in NFL history in their division. Until those two things change, there really isn't much hope, and I think we all realize that.... however, that doesn't mean you should no longer be a fan, or wish them well. Just keep your expectations in perspective and it's not really that frustrating to follow them closely.
jeffismagic Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 As for Sal C, he was referencing an article someone else had written -- here it is, actually: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-old-school-super-scout-gms-are-an-endangered-species-in-the-nfl/ "They don't want a road scout as their GM," the executive opined. "I really think those days are over. That blue-collar guy who spent all of his time looking at players and eating at Applebee's or Chili's or whatever -- who had his spots in each college town to eat or drink and that's what they talk about. That's not what they're looking at anymore. That's not what they relate to." Ok, which current GM of this sort in the NFL right now is someone you admire for the way they run their NFL team?
That Aud Smell Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 Ok, which current GM of this sort in the NFL right now is someone you admire for the way they run their NFL team? Sorry, guvnah. I don't follow the league that closely. I was only calling attention to an apparent trend.
jeffismagic Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 Sorry, guvnah. I don't follow the league that closely. I was only calling attention to an apparent trend. Off the top of my head, I know Mike Tannenbaum who was the GM of the Jets and is now high up on the Dolphins has this background. The Eagles have Howie Roseman who had a similar trajectory to Beane.
WildCard Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Posted August 16, 2017 I've become immune to the kool-aid One Bills Drive pours out every year. The fact remains, they have little chance at the playoffs because of a mediocre QB and having the most dominant team and greatest Headcoach/QB in NFL history in their division. Until those two things change, there really isn't much hope, and I think we all realize that.... however, that doesn't mean you should no longer be a fan, or wish them well. Just keep your expectations in perspective and it's not really that frustrating to follow them closely. I mean, there's hope. We have a lot of picks, I'm hopeful we finally get a QB This is where we differ. I've reached the point where I'm no longer giving them the benefit of the doubt. Not only is their track record dog ###### through 2 owners and countless GM's and Head Coaches but they continually make head scratching decisions that don't seem to align with trying to win, whether it's hiring Rex Ryan to sell tickets, keeping Russ Brandon, giving too much power to a first time head coach, pumping up his non-football related qualities, trading one of their most talented players, and letting another one walk for nothing. There are plenty of teams who were the laughing stock of a league until they got the right GM / Coach. The Patriots being prime examples
pi2000 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 I mean, there's hope. We have a lot of picks, I'm hopeful we finally get a QB There are plenty of teams who were the laughing stock of a league until they got the right GM / Coach. The Patriots being prime examples I'd trade all those picks to NWE if it meant Brady has to retire.
Drunkard Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 I mean, there's hope. We have a lot of picks, I'm hopeful we finally get a QB There are plenty of teams who were the laughing stock of a league until they got the right GM / Coach. The Patriots being prime examples
WildCard Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Posted August 16, 2017 I'd trade all those picks to NWE if it meant Brady has to retire. I would do that if Belichick retired. Brady has a shelf life, the blob of a man called Belichick doesn't
ubkev Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 I would do that if Belichick retired. Brady has a shelf life, the blob of a man called Belichick doesn't Tom Brady will be the first fully bionic, partially cybernetic NFL player. He will play to the age of 106 and they will never lose the AFC East again.
inkman Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 I'd trade all those picks to NWE if it meant Brady has to retire. NWE is a finance company
Doohicksie Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 Tom Brady will be the first fully bionic, partially cybernetic NFL player. He will play to the age of 106 and they will never lose the AFC East again. Sadly, this is probably true.
Neo Posted August 16, 2017 Report Posted August 16, 2017 Eye to eye. Three eyes .... Owners, GMs and coaches live in the today and tomorrow world. Every body + pick trade reconciles the two. I support the deal. We're too good to tank, and too bad not to value tomorrow. NPV positive, taking risk, return and time into consideration. Our team will be weaker opening day. The franchise is better for the foreseeable future.
tom webster Posted August 17, 2017 Report Posted August 17, 2017 Off the top of my head, I know Mike Tannenbaum who was the GM of the Jets and is now high up on the Dolphins has this background. The Eagles have Howie Roseman who had a similar trajectory to Beane. And New England, Denver and Kansas City. There is no one way to build an organization. What is clear is that the old family owned teams with a GM and a Head Coach running things is gone. These are multi billion dollar corporations run by men that made their fortunes running their companies a certain way. In the end, it all comes down to finding the right combination of front office executives, front of the house people and getting lucky a few times when acquiring talent. History has shown that all these so called "geniuses" rarely experience success elsewhere simply because there is no magic formula. As Bill Parcells has said on numerous occasions, the common denominator among the successful organizations is being able to admit your mistakes quickly rather then stubbornly holding on till its too late.
LGR4GM Posted August 17, 2017 Report Posted August 17, 2017 The College QB roundup. https://sports.yahoo.com/best-college-qb-class-history-065830268.html I still like Rudolph and absolutley hate Flowers. The top 3 guys according to the article are Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, and Sam Darnold. My friend has a QB name theory. Name a great QB with a terrible name. I applied it to this and again Flowers fails. Anyways, this should be a good read.
WildCard Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Posted August 17, 2017 WGR today says Rosen and Darnold aren't expected to enter the draft this year. Hurray
LGR4GM Posted August 17, 2017 Report Posted August 17, 2017 WGR today says Rosen and Darnold aren't expected to enter the draft this year. Hurray Meh, ask this question again in January. Really depends on their draft stock at seasons end.
Drunkard Posted August 17, 2017 Report Posted August 17, 2017 Three eyes .... Owners, GMs and coaches live in the today and tomorrow world. Every body + pick trade reconciles the two. I support the deal. We're too good to tank, and too bad not to value tomorrow. NPV positive, taking risk, return and time into consideration. Our team will be weaker opening day. The franchise is better for the foreseeable future. If our team will be weaker on opening day wouldn't that mean the NPV is negative and it's the future value (FV) that's positive?
WildCard Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Posted August 17, 2017 According to the executive director of the NFL Players’ Association, DeMaurice Smith, optimism around avoiding a work stoppage or outright lockout isn’t exactly high. “I think that the likelihood of either a strike or a lockout in 2021 is almost a virtual certainty,” Smith said, via Bleacher Report. https://www.fanragsports.com/news/demaurice-smith-predicts-virtual-certainty-of-strike-or-lockout-in-2021/
Randall Flagg Posted August 17, 2017 Report Posted August 17, 2017 This is a cool site for picking the winner of every single NFL game and then seeing how your standings shape out: https://playoffpredictors.com/Football/NFL?L=Aw18ZXTt-DFOS1b0ckAHere's mine: https://playoffpredictors.com/Football/NFL?L=IwJlwsTSb96wXaq3QpLsbjx3TIg40VPfbKEjCqInU+7TXNpdBi1s7w6-vzLsC5BgK7dgQA
shrader Posted August 17, 2017 Report Posted August 17, 2017 https://www.fanragsports.com/news/demaurice-smith-predicts-virtual-certainty-of-strike-or-lockout-in-2021/ If you're making that kind of prediction 4 years in advance and then it actually comes true, you should be fired on the spot.
WildCard Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Posted August 17, 2017 If you're making that kind of prediction 4 years in advance and then it actually comes true, you should be fired on the spot. Couldn't agree more
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