Huckleberry Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/836015295210881025 "From what I've been told, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Minnesota picking up Evander Kane between now and Wed. #NHLTrade" If we get less than Hanzal I'd be disappointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 What if we got Brodin back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 What if we got Brodin back? Not enough imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 If we get less than Hanzal I'd be disappointed Why would you want a 30 year old center in exchange for Kane? Especially when we're already having trouble getting Reinhart time at center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Why would you want a 30 year old center in exchange for Kane? Especially when we're already having trouble getting Reinhart time at center. Return wise he means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 while I think the kane thing is important, the kulikov thing is far more important. we gave up a good young d in Pysyk and obviously our D is in dire need of something and losing Kulikov for nothing to free agency at the end of he year would be a real poor move at this point. Do we trade him or sign him? I take either but if we hang on to him thne let him walk like we did Briere and Drury then I quit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thwomp! Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 while I think the kane thing is important, the kulikov thing is far more important. we gave up a good young d in Pysyk and obviously our D is in dire need of something and losing Kulikov for nothing to free agency at the end of he year would be a real poor move at this point. Do we trade him or sign him? I take either but if we hang on to him thne let him walk like we did Briere and Drury then I quit... It's odd to draw the line at Kulikov. He's no where near the level of Briere or Drury. It was a gamble that Murray took based on Kulikov conceptually being Murray's type of defenseman. The move didn't pan out and I'm not sure if he'll even have interest from the Sabres this offseason. Based on his play this year, we're looking at a very low draft pick for him on the trade market, I'd think. Maybe conditional 4th rounder at best? I am in favor of getting whatever we can since I'd like to hopefully improve his spot next year on defense and I'm not sure he's in the plans anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Return wise he means Gotcha. I was away from the board most of this weekend and didn't see that Minnesota apparently doesn't care if they ever draft again. It's odd to draw the line at Kulikov. He's no where near the level of Briere or Drury. It was a gamble that Murray took based on Kulikov conceptually being Murray's type of defenseman. The move didn't pan out and I'm not sure if he'll even have interest from the Sabres this offseason. Based on his play this year, we're looking at a very low draft pick for him on the trade market, I'd think. Maybe conditional 4th rounder at best? I am in favor of getting whatever we can since I'd like to hopefully improve his spot next year on defense and I'm not sure he's in the plans anyway. I agree, although I still hope Murray makes him a decent offer after the expansion draft. He's proven to be a solid player in Florida, I just think the combination of a completely new team and system coupled with an injury so early on equaled a bad season for him where he never fully adjusted. Hopefully that also equals a deal on his next contract. If somebody overpays him though, I'd let him walk. Not sure what I'd be comfortable offering him though. Even coming off a bad year I can't see him taking less than $25 million for 5 years. The defenseman shortage throughout the league is too great. That basically guarantees that somebody takes the gamble and pays him more than I'd be comfortable with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 while I think the kane thing is important, the kulikov thing is far more important. we gave up a good young d in Pysyk and obviously our D is in dire need of something and losing Kulikov for nothing to free agency at the end of he year would be a real poor move at this point. Do we trade him or sign him? I take either but if we hang on to him thne let him walk like we did Briere and Drury then I quit... The underplayed element of the Pysyk deal was the expansion draft. I think Murray had made up his mind that Pysyk was not going to be protected, so he rolled the dice on Kulikov. Best case scenario, he fits in well, you do a handshake deal to sign after the expansion draft. Most likely scenario, you flip him for a 2nd round draft pick. Worst case scenario - well, pretty much what we got. I don't have any issue with the Kulikov trade. What I have issue with is how much worse Kulikov and Bogosian have been in Buffalo than on their previous teams. Misuse by Bylsma? Poor read on their fit by Murray? Bad luck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) My sources just told me talks are heating up regarding a James #RealDeal Neal for Evander Kane trade. Wow. #Confirmed Mike Commodore https://mobile.twitter.com/commie22/status/836334048075116545?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet Edited February 27, 2017 by Lucky E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 My sources just told me talks are heating up regarding a James #RealDeal Neal for Evander Kane trade. Wow. #Confirmed Mike Commodore https://mobile.twitter.com/commie22/status/836334048075116545?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet Please god no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 That account doesn't look very legit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 That account doesn't look very legit Nah, that's Mike Commodore all right. Whether he has any idea what he's talking about is a completely different thing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 That account doesn't look very legit LOL, dang it Randall, ruining the fun :P It isn't. I don't think anyways. But I wad waiting for the reactions.....we have to have something to chuckle at afterall.... Nah, that's Mike Commodore all right. Whether he has any idea what he's talking about is a completely different thing though. Not sure if it is him actually. A friend in Detroit passed it along to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Nah, that's Mike Commodore all right. Whether he has any idea what he's talking about is a completely different thing though. Oh it is, but looking through it he doesn't seem to ever actually predict trades correctly - he just says #packyourshit after they've been announced really obnoxiously. I just mean that I think he's full of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 James Neal in his prime would be a freaking perfect running mate for Jack. Much better fit than Kane IMO. 29 year old James Neal? Eeeehhhhhh. Don't think this would get us much of anywhere. Blue line or bust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Would Ekholm or Ellis be interesting as a centerpiece for a theoretical Kane trade? I don't know much about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Would Ekholm or Ellis be interesting as a centerpiece for a theoretical Kane trade? I don't know much about them. I'd be surprised if Poile would part with either of them after moving Jones for a forward, but yes, for sure. Ekholm would be straight up, I think. Ellis maybe a minor add from the Preds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 James Neal in his prime would be a freaking perfect running mate for Jack. Much better fit than Kane IMO. 29 year old James Neal? Eeeehhhhhh. Don't think this would get us much of anywhere. Blue line or bust! Yup. Blue line or bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Poole owes us one for Vesey and another for Grant: #josiorbust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 I was listening to Vancouver radio during the deadline. They spent a lot of time talking Kane with their guest, former Oiler GM Steve Tambellini. Tambellini's take was that Kane has a lot of value because he brings a combination of skills that very few players bring. GMs who are confident in their rooms wouldn't hesitate because there is a long history of questionable personalities working - he specifically referred to national team type settings - because of the leadership in place. He also said moving him makes a lot of sense for the Sabres because his value isn't likely to increase. Some of you probably heard Rob Ray reiterate on GR what others have posted: that he has never heard a whisper of Kane being an issue in the room in Buffalo. Finally Murray made it clear his presser that he would be open to re-signing Kane, but there was certainly a subtext there were specific things that Kane had to do off ice before that could happen. My sense was that he would trade him as soon as he was offered fair value, but fair value in Murray's eyes would be significant. I'm guessing June will be a lot more interesting on the trade front than today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I'm glad Kane wasn't traded. Get the extension done!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I was listening to Vancouver radio during the deadline. They spent a lot of time talking Kane with their guest, former Oiler GM Steve Tambellini. Tambellini's take was that Kane has a lot of value because he brings a combination of skills that very few players bring. GMs who are confident in their rooms wouldn't hesitate because there is a long history of questionable personalities working - he specifically referred to national team type settings - because of the leadership in place. He also said moving him makes a lot of sense for the Sabres because his value isn't likely to increase. Some of you probably heard Rob Ray reiterate on GR what others have posted: that he has never heard a whisper of Kane being an issue in the room in Buffalo. Finally Murray made it clear his presser that he would be open to re-signing Kane, but there was certainly a subtext there were specific things that Kane had to do off ice before that could happen. My sense was that he would trade him as soon as he was offered fair value, but fair value in Murray's eyes would be significant. I'm guessing June will be a lot more interesting on the trade front than today. Hopefully the team knows a lot more about the allegations that Kane faced over the offseason than any of us do (for good or bad), and that's informing how they want to proceed. Every time I see a statement like that, my guess is that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Hopefully the team knows a lot more about the allegations that Kane faced over the offseason than any of us do (for good or bad), and that's informing how they want to proceed. Every time I see a statement like that, my guess is that's the case. Good insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Finally Murray made it clear his presser that he would be open to re-signing Kane, but there was certainly a subtext there were specific things that Kane had to do off ice before that could happen. My sense was that he would trade him as soon as he was offered fair value, but fair value in Murray's eyes would be significant. And right there Murray just killed any residual trade value Kane hds. Who's going to want to trade for a player his GM is publicly saying he has serious concerns? This is from the BN article: "Murray also was hesitant to embrace a contract extension for Kane, who has another year on his deal. The GM is not ready to believe the left winger has put his off-ice issues behind him. Kane and the Sabres can talk extension beginning July 1. “I’d be open to that. I’m not sure I’m going to do that." Murray said. “There’s a lot of bridges to cross before that time. But would I be open to it in a scenario where a couple things he has going on off the ice go away and stuff like that, absolutely.” If the player's own GM has open doubts about trying to resign him, what GM in their right mind is going to offer up to get him? If I just see it now "Hey Timmy, why are you trying trade him? Did those off-ice issues you spoke about in March never disappear?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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