Keep or Trade Evander Kane

[GASabresIUFAN]

They aren't trading their best defenseman.

 

Easy to say, but go take a look at their cap and expansion problems.

 

They have 4 players with NMC and big cap hits: Bieksa, Kelser, Perry and Getzlaf.  They have three young players they believe are their core of the future in Lindholm, Vatanen and Rakell that they have signed long-term to big cap figures.  That's 7 players they must protect.  

 

So lets play this out logically.  

1) They also have Silfverberg, another very good youngish forward, signed to a decent contract.  

2) If they go with 8-1 and protect Fowler, they lose Silfverberg.  no question.

3) They have Theodore, Larsson and Montour, any of which can step into the lineup full time if they can move a player or two from their D group.

4) Fowler has only one more year on his and because of their cap issues, they probably won't be able to re-sign him,

5) if they go 7-3-1 to protect Silfverbeg, then they have to expose one of Vatanen, Lindholm or Fowler.  If any of them are exposed, they will be taken.

 

So the question is if they want to protect Silvferberg then they are going to have to move one of Vatanen, Lindholm or Fowler.  The other option is to trade Silvferberg and hope them to use one of the good D prospects in a trade to replace him.  That doesn't seem like a smart use of resources and it doesn't solve the re-signing Fowler issue.  It therefore seems that the best course of action to protect Silfverberg, protect the all the young D and save cap is to trade Fowler.

Edited February 10, 2017 by GASabresIUFAN

[Huckleberry]

I don't understand the seemingly sudden pessimism re: Nylander. His World Junior performance should have everyone giddy for his future. I understand he's not tearing up the AHL, but I think that speaks more to the AHL being the wrong place for him than anything else. Thanks Murray.

 

Maybe he's a little farther away than I think he is, but I distinctly remember comments on how far away Reinhart was after his 9 game trial, concerns about his lower production upon his return to junior, how he needed AHL seasoning...and he scores 20 as a rookie with zero AHL time, despite not having a regular scoring role until a quarter of the way into the season.

 

Nylander is my boo. Back off!

Thet ahl was nylanders choice not Murray. Could have gone back to the shl for a year like his brother did.

And i'm with randal on this one. I want Kane extended 5×5.75 i can live with

Edited February 10, 2017 by Huckleberry

[3putt]

Thet ahl was nylanders choice not Murray. Could have gone back to the shl for a year like his brother did.

And i'm with randal on this one. I want Kane extended 5×5.75 i can live with

Once he signed his ELC he lost any choice on where he would play.  If he chose not to sign he could have gone to the SHL. 

[Weave]

We should definitely trade our leading goal scorer for a 2nd pair defenceman,.  :rolleyes:

[TrueBlueGED]

We should definitely trade our leading goal scorer for a 2nd pair defenceman,. :rolleyes:

Depends. Do you consider Bogosian a second pair defenseman? Cuz I'm not trading him for some team's Bogosian. But I remember plenty of people thinking Fowler was a second pair...I'd trade him for Fowler and not think twice.

[JJFIVEOH]

I wouldn't trade him for a #2 defenseman. Much less 2nd pair defenseman. 

[TrueBlueGED]

I wouldn't trade him for a #2 defenseman. Much less 2nd pair defenseman.

You're nuts. A #2 Dman is infinitely more valuable than Kane.

[Weave]

Depends. Do you consider Bogosian a second pair defenseman? Cuz I'm not trading him for some team's Bogosian. But I remember plenty of people thinking Fowler was a second pair...I'd trade him for Fowler and not think twice.

 

And you think this team is boring in long stretches now.......

[dudacek]

Remember the days when Evander Kane would shoot it ove the net all the time, or into the goalies pads from low percentage areas? Remember when he had no chemistry with his linemates?

Ah, those were the days...

[Eleven]

This team is insane if it trades him for anything less than four first-round picks and a starting defenseman.  I'm sorry; I know he's a jerk.  Or was a jerk?  Whatever.  He's the second-best two-way player on the team, and they need someone who can play his game if they want to win.

[WildCard]

This team is insane if it trades him for anything less than four first-round picks and a starting defenseman. I'm sorry; I know he's a jerk. Or was a jerk? Whatever. He's the second-best two-way player on the team, and they need someone who can play his game if they want to win.

There are about 10 people in the league that can fetch that price. Probably 5 honestly

[Randall Flagg]

Any realistic return for Kane is about half of what I'd actually want for him. 

[TrueBlueGED]

Any realistic return for Kane is about half of what I'd actually want for him.

This is, sadly, probably true. Bleh.

[WildCard]

Any realistic return for Kane is about half of what I'd actually want for him.

What I want for him is a #2 d man

[Thorner]

This team is insane if it trades him for anything less than four first-round picks and a starting defenseman.  I'm sorry; I know he's a jerk.  Or was a jerk?  Whatever.  He's the second-best two-way player on the team, and they need someone who can play his game if they want to win.

Right. We want to win in the playoffs, this is a guy you want on your team. He's a force. Untouchable for me, for any realistic offer, at this point.

[Doohicksie]

Right. We want to win in the playoffs, this is a guy you want on your team. He's a force. Untouchable for me, for any realistic offer, at this point.

 

Part of the core.

 

 

There, I said it.

[PromoTheRobot]

Trading away your top scorer seems like a smart idea.

[SwampD]

Trading away your top scorer seems like a smart idea.

But I want picks that will turn into good players in 4 to 6 years!

 

The Future!!!!!

[PromoTheRobot]

But I want picks that will turn into good players in 4 to 6 years!

 

The Future!!!!!

Kane is the future.

[TrueBlueGED]

But I want picks that will turn into good players in 4 to 6 years!

 

The Future!!!!!

Who has advocated trading him for picks?

[dudacek]

Who has advocated trading him for picks?

Well, to fair it's been more prospects than picks.

[SwampD]

Well, to fair it's been more prospects than picks.

:lol:

[TrueBlueGED]

Well, to fair it's been more prospects than picks.

High end prospect, yea. We all laughed off the Ben Hutton rumors.

[matter2003]

Is there really anyone left who wants to trade Kane considering he will likely be pushing for 30 goals this year?

[TrueBlueGED]

Is there really anyone left who wants to trade Kane considering he will likely be pushing for 30 goals this year?

Absolutely. If I can get a legitimate Dman capable of anchoring a top-4 pair, I do it without hesitation.