The even randomer thread

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, ubkev said:

I had a guy get hired 11 months ago. In those 11 months, he quarantined with COVID symptoms 7 separate times for a grand total of 24 days. No positive COVID tests, just called in with "symptoms" and never went and got tested so he could skip 5 days of work (it was a bad company policy.) After that, he managed to accumulate 11 additional call-ins. 

So to recap, this guy is part time, is scheduled between 3 and 4 days per week, has been at said job for 11 months, and has managed to take 35 sick days(24 of which didn't count against him because of bad policy.) 

That's a touch excessive, right?

Absolutely.

And this tool should expect to have a long talk w/ you or other management explaining that the next time he "gets" Covid he's bringing the results of his saliva test showing he won't be smelling anything for the next 3 months or he isn't getting back in the building.  The 11 "legit" sick days in 11 months have to count for something towards finding a way to can him for cause, right?

[ubkev]

12 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Absolutely.

And this tool should expect to have a long talk w/ you or other management explaining that the next time he "gets" Covid he's bringing the results of his saliva test showing he won't be smelling anything for the next 3 months or he isn't getting back in the building.  The 11 "legit" sick days in 11 months have to count for something towards finding a way to can him for cause, right?

You get 10 "points" in a 12 month period before you're terminated with cause. Everyone has 1 emergency day and everyone gets vacation time. 1 point for each call-in. Consecutive call-in's result in half points. So if you call in sick on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday you only get 2.5 points instead of 4. 

That COVID policy ended 2 months ago. Now the only way they get to stay home is with a legit PCR test from a doctor that is dated. They get 5 free days from the positive test. You got symptoms? Tough *****, put on a mask and let's go. Is that rough? Sure, but I've had 30% of my staff lying their ***** off for the past 3 years abusing the ***** out of the pandemic. 

All while making $42/per hour 

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, ubkev said:

You get 10 "points" in a 12 month period before you're terminated with cause. Everyone has 1 emergency day and everyone gets vacation time. 1 point for each call-in. Consecutive call-in's result in half points. So if you call in sick on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday you only get 2.5 points instead of 4. 

That COVID policy ended 2 months ago. Now the only way they get to stay home is with a legit PCR test from a doctor that is dated. They get 5 free days from the positive test. You got symptoms? Tough *****, put on a mask and let's go. Is that rough? Sure, but I've had 30% of my staff lying their ***** off for the past 3 years abusing the ***** out of the pandemic. 

All while making $42/per hour 

Well, on the plus side, doesn't seem like you'll have to keep this tool for long w/ the current policy in place.

[ubkev]

13 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Well, on the plus side, doesn't seem like you'll have to keep this tool for long w/ the current policy in place.

Oh, I canned him 2 days ago. But he's far from the first and he definitely won't be the last. I have 210 people. 35 of them are within 1 flat tire/lost car keys of being suspended. 

Conversely I have 19 all stars who get a perfect attendance bonus check every month. 

[Eleven]

1 hour ago, ubkev said:

Oh, I canned him 2 days ago. But he's far from the first and he definitely won't be the last. I have 210 people. 35 of them are within 1 flat tire/lost car keys of being suspended. 

Conversely I have 19 all stars who get a perfect attendance bonus check every month. 

There's a bonus for just showing up?!

Also, I have to share a casino story w/ you, from your state.  Erie, specifically.  I'll write it down some day...

[Eleven]

Also, happy Sherlock Holmes day, everyone.  Go hound some Baskervilles.

[ubkev]

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

There's a bonus for just showing up?!

Also, I have to share a casino story w/ you, from your state.  Erie, specifically.  I'll write it down some day...

$250/month just for showing up when you're scheduled. 

And I'd love to hear it. 

Edited May 23, 2023 by ubkev

[Ogre]

2 hours ago, ubkev said:

35 of them are within 1 flat tire/lost car keys of being suspended. 

A direct result of the philosophy of participation trophies. They were being taught that you deserve without effort. 

 

2 hours ago, ubkev said:

19 all stars who get a perfect attendance bonus check every month

Also a result of the aforementioned philosophy. A better result for you (and me, I’m struggling with inept people) but you still have the entitlement.

 

1 hour ago, Eleven said:

There's a bonus for just showing up?!

$100 bonus right now on a  certain job if you work a full week (+OT(which is even MORE money)).

A 70 hour work week is worth $4,995 but people snub their nose and ask about PTO. 
 

WTF?!

[French Collection]

2 minutes ago, Ogre said:

A direct result of the philosophy of participation trophies. They were being taught that you deserve without effort. 

 

Also a result of the aforementioned philosophy. A better result for you (and me, I’m struggling with inept people) but you still have the entitlement.

 

$100 bonus right now on a  certain job if you work a full week (+OT(which is even MORE money)).

I retired with almost 300 unused sick days. Most of the younger staff thought I was stupid and should have used them to make the last years easier.

I knew guys that milked those days to coast into retirement or add more pensionable years to their careers, butI couldn’t do it.

My thought was that if I ever was seriously ill or needed procedures my wages would be covered for a year or more.

The newer staff saw these days as an extra vacation entitlement.

Call me old school but I took pride in being at work.

[Randall Flagg]

47 minutes ago, French Collection said:

I retired with almost 300 unused sick days. Most of the younger staff thought I was stupid and should have used them to make the last years easier.

I knew guys that milked those days to coast into retirement or add more pensionable years to their careers, butI couldn’t do it.

My thought was that if I ever was seriously ill or needed procedures my wages would be covered for a year or more.

The newer staff saw these days as an extra vacation entitlement.

Call me old school but I took pride in being at work.

My company tried to fire me for months, and sends me 25 infantilizing corporate emails per day lecturing like some 93 iq kindergarten teacher/hall monitor hybrid using corporate jargon that makes me want to gouge my eyes out, and is happy to tell me in these and other emails that i contribute negatively to their ideal demographic splits, assuring me they are seeking to solve this problem

I do what I have to do and get my job done with 40 honest hours per week but giving my employer more than that from my own free time is something that would sap from, not add to, my self-worth/pride. I'm using every scrap of PTO and sick time they'll let me use

Edited May 23, 2023 by Randall Flagg

[ubkev]

2 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

My company tried to fire me for months, and sends me 25 infantilizing corporate emails per day lecturing like some 93 iq kindergarten teacher/hall monitor hybrid using corporate jargon that makes me want to gouge my eyes out, and is happy to tell me in these and other emails that i contribute negatively to their ideal demographic splits, and assure me they are seeking to solve this problem

I do what I have to do and get my job done with 40 honest hours per week but giving my employer more than that from my own free time is something that would sap from, not add to, my self-worth/pride. I'm using every scrap of PTO and sick time they'll let me use

Oh, I use all 30 of my PTO days every year. And whenever I have to show up for a meeting that I'm not getting paid for(salary), I make sure to get those hours back when I can. Preferably on my Friday. 

[Randall Flagg]

4 minutes ago, ubkev said:

Oh, I use all 30 of my PTO days every year. And whenever I have to show up for a meeting that I'm not getting paid for(salary), I make sure to get those hours back when I can. Preferably on my Friday. 

I get invited to things they don't let you charge for every week, never been to one. Sometimes they really pester me about it, but they switched to 9/80 hours this year and i live far enough away that my weeknights are already evaporated before spending an hour unpaid at the building

[Doohicksie]

58 minutes ago, Ogre said:

3 hours ago, ubkev said:

35 of them are within 1 flat tire/lost car keys of being suspended. 

A direct result of the philosophy of participation trophies.

But it sounds like they're *not* participating.

59 minutes ago, Ogre said:

$100 bonus right now on a  certain job if you work a full week (+OT(which is even MORE money)).

A 70 hour work week is worth $4,995 but people snub their nose and ask about PTO. 

I'm sorry, but if you need people to work 70 hour weeks you don't have enough people. 

[Doohicksie]

There's a huge difference between "I don't want to work" and "I don't want to spend every waking hour at my job."

[Doohicksie]

52 minutes ago, French Collection said:

I retired with almost 300 unused sick days. Most of the younger staff thought I was stupid and should have used them to make the last years easier.

I knew guys that milked those days to coast into retirement or add more pensionable years to their careers, butI couldn’t do it.

My thought was that if I ever was seriously ill or needed procedures my wages would be covered for a year or more.

The newer staff saw these days as an extra vacation entitlement.

Call me old school but I took pride in being at work.

You earned those sick days and should have been compensated for them.  At my company people have two retirement dates:  Their last day at work and their last day on the payroll.  All you have to do is come in on that last day on the payroll and they cut you a check for all those sick days, personal days, vacation days that you didn't use while you were working.  It's not "pride in being at work", it's being compensated for what you earned.

[Doohicksie]

8 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

I get invited to things they don't let you charge for every week, never been to one. Sometimes they really pester me about it, but they switched to 9/80 hours this year and i live far enough away that my weeknights are already evaporated before spending an hour unpaid at the building

I'm on a 4x40 schedule.  Once in a great while I'll work on a Friday for something that I want to be over and done with and not weighing on my mind over the weekend... like maybe a couple times a year.

I had a family crisis several years ago and while I took just a couple days off to deal with the acute phase of it, I got into the habit of working 40 hours and no more.  Oddly in the aftermath of that I got promoted.  It's not how much you work (at least in some fields), it's the quality of your work.  If you're regularly working 60-70 hour weeks, quality drops off.  By cutting back to 40 I was getting almost as much done insofar as the quality of my work was much better.

[ubkev]

43 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

I get invited to things they don't let you charge for every week, never been to one. Sometimes they really pester me about it, but they switched to 9/80 hours this year and i live far enough away that my weeknights are already evaporated before spending an hour unpaid at the building

We're a 24 hour operation, so no one is asked to do anymore than 8 hours per shift. We do get the odd occasion like New Year's Eve where we run busy into the wee hours of grave shift and a dealer or 2 might end up getting stuck for an extra hour, but they get time and a half for every hour over their 40. Plus, none of them work 40 anyway, because 90% of them sign the "early out" every night (that's a list to voluntarily get cut as business demands necessitate.) My dealers average about 35 hours per week, full time, of a scheduled 40. My supervisors average about 37. 

When I send payroll out at the end of a given week there might be 4 names on the OT list, and those 4 people pick up shifts in other departments. Or they are poker dealers who never want to go home because they can make $600 a night. 

[French Collection]

8 hours ago, Doohickie said:

You earned those sick days and should have been compensated for them.  At my company people have two retirement dates:  Their last day at work and their last day on the payroll.  All you have to do is come in on that last day on the payroll and they cut you a check for all those sick days, personal days, vacation days that you didn't use while you were working.  It's not "pride in being at work", it's being compensated for what you earned.

Some companies here do pay out unused sick days. It would’ve been a nice option.

Like I said, I always felt that sick days were a benefit to be used when you needed to, not something you earned.

[Night Train]

10 hours ago, Eleven said:

Also, happy Sherlock Holmes day, everyone.  Go hound some Baskervilles.

Funny. I have a DVD collection of the remastered 14 Holmes movies with Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce. Prior to recent surgery, I took it out again and watched all of them in order, just in case I didn't make it. 

 I had the complete Sherlock Holmes book from my youth that I read multiple times. My father was the influence to purchase and read it. Loved the recent BBC series and like all fans, hoped more would still come but it looks unlikely. 

 Elementary..

[Ogre]

11 hours ago, Doohickie said:

I'm sorry, but if you need people to work 70 hour weeks you don't have enough people. 

That’s not how it works in my industry. You can’t build a bridge or erect a wind turbine in less hours by throwing more bodies at it. The logistics involved in transporting the enormous components coupled with lane closures and erection procedures dictates the hours. 
We are compensated very handsomely for our efforts and we don’t have restrictions on time off. 
If you want time off you just take it. You made a ton of money on the OT and the wage replacement account has you covered.

[French Collection]

7 minutes ago, Ogre said:

That’s not how it works in my industry. You can’t build a bridge or erect a wind turbine in less hours by throwing more bodies at it. The logistics involved in transporting the enormous components coupled with lane closures and erection procedures dictates the hours. 
We are compensated very handsomely for our efforts and we don’t have restrictions on time off. 
If you want time off you just take it. You made a ton of money on the OT and the wage replacement account has you covered.

Similar to what I was used to.

We didn’t leave people without power in the middle of a storm. You work 16 hour days for a week or two until all power is restored. The 16 hour restriction wasn’t even in place when I was younger. If I was on call we could work 24 hours straight. The OT more than makes up for some extended time off.

[Doohicksie]

14 minutes ago, Ogre said:

That’s not how it works in my industry. You can’t build a bridge or erect a wind turbine in less hours by throwing more bodies at it. The logistics involved in transporting the enormous components coupled with lane closures and erection procedures dictates the hours. 
We are compensated very handsomely for our efforts and we don’t have restrictions on time off. 
If you want time off you just take it. You made a ton of money on the OT and the wage replacement account has you covered.

Well then don't complain when you can't find workers.

[shrader]

What happened to the Johnson thread? I got a notification about getting quotes in there but it apparently doesn’t exist anymore. 

[Doohicksie]

Sounds like a personal matter.

[Ogre]

22 hours ago, Doohickie said:

There's a huge difference between "I don't want to work" and "I don't want to spend every waking hour at my job."

Would you work 7/10s intermittently over the course of 30 years to be able to retire at 55 with a $4G/month pension, a $400G annuity that’s fully accessible at 59 and and fund that is designed to pay your healthcare premiums for multiple years?

Mortgage cleared, a maxed out/year Roth?

We literally have the ability as an organization to provide generational prosperity. I’ve spent the last two days educating high schoolers.

WNY is BUSTING with our work! Rochester is the busiest local in NYS right now. Industry is flocking here. We have a plentiful, easy water supply, the perfect system of rail, water and roads to become a Multimodal Master! (There’s a study underway to assess the project)

The biggest chip plant in the US is coming to NY, the Bills’ stadium, the cheese plants, the milk plants… The Dodge Report and Industrial Info resources don’t lie. 

I’m nearly 51. Four more years and I’m spending my days with a Jetson One (YouTube it) and whatever else strikes my fancy.

I deserve it because I did what the American Dream told me to do.

Work hard.

Don’t give up.

PTO? I’ll have a lavish, living, lifelong dose of it in a few years.

Just sayin’ and I ain’t complaining. Make a ton of money like a Boss or don’t. 
I was agreeing with the sentiment of the poster that I quoted. I did not file an official complaint.

We don’t need to those types of things. 
 

We also don’t need to beg our corporate overlords for time off. 
 

We just tell the foreman that you need to take of some life stuff and that foreman calls me for a replacement.

Easy peasy and free as bird!