WildCard Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 @BuffaloSabres 51m51 minutes ago Coach Bylsma: We weren't ready to play the game. That's what it looked like. Maybe some carryover from last game. THAT'S YOU'RE ONE JOB AS A COACH
spndnchz Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 According to RJ and Rayzor on the radio he got sat following a turnover that led to the first goal. It was a topic of conversation during the first intermission about how you don't want to kill his creativity but that he needs to be more responsible as well. Score at end of first?
dudacek Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 An interesting thing about teams that get blown out at home by crappy teams: they often fire their coaches. So do teams that allow six even strength goals, to teams that haven't scored 6 even strength goals all year... And teams that blow 3-0 leads... And teams that lose back-to-back to the league's worst teams... And teams that go on 1-5-2 at the season's most crucial point... And teams... It's going to happen.
WildCard Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 An interesting thing about teams that get blown out at home by crappy teams: they often fire their coaches. So do teams that allow six even strength goals, to teams that haven't scored 6 even strength goals all year... And teams that blow 3-0 leads... And teams that lose back-to-back to the league's worst teams... And teams that go on 1-5-2 at the season's most crucial point... And teams... It's going to happen. Stop. A man can only hope for so much before it hurts when it doesn't happen
Randall Flagg Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) What we could see: A load pulled off of ROR's shoulders as he slides to Jack's wing. ROR is our best two-way player and can help make up for Jack's d-zone deficiencies. He's cerebral and can pass like nobody's business. They are our two best players and have played 19 even strength minutes together in 46 games together. In the past two seasons combined they have played FEWER THAN 80 MINUTES TOGETHER at even strength, while piling points up on the power play with each other. We could have ROR take the draws and play center in the D-zone and watch these guys go ham with the passing. What we will see: Not this. ROR will continue to get 24 minutes per game against top lines, 4 of them shorthanded, and will be ground into further slow-skating dust, and Jack will continue to think and play the game faster than all of his LWs can handle. We have no clue what they'd look like together. Think about it this way: Jack and ROR get roughly 20 minutes per game. So in two seasons, if you pile their minutes up the way they would be if those two played the same lines, we've seen roughly 4 games of Jack and ROR together, strung out through 150 games instead. Two full years of Jack development and that's what we get to see with these two players. Unbelievable. At no point in these lost seasons did Dan think it was appropriate to try this experiment, and it will not change suddenly. 80 minutes of almost 2,000 each. Jack's ELC will be complete with less than 200 ES minutes playing with ROR, and zero playoff games to boot. What we could see: This pairing up of 90-15 for the first meaningful stretch ever will allow Samson to slide into center, getting development at his natural position in games that don't matter, building his confidence. He spent around 10 games in the middle of his 20Pts/22GP stretch where he was creating all over the place. He still creates, he's first on the team in the following categories, all adjusted per 60 minutes: shot attempts, unblocked shot attempts, scoring chances, and expected goals. He leads the team in scoring since January 1st, 2016. Almost all of this as a winger, where as dudacek gracefully outlined, he has worse than average size, speed, strength, and shooting ability. He somehow makes it work enough to score points, but the Sam Reinhart we saw glimpses of at center and loads of at WJC and in Juniors is a center through and through, and will be able to form a beast of a second line with Kane and a RW like Bailey or KO. The mistakes get made in these last 15 games, the growing happens, and we can go into next season with a Sam Reinhart that much more confident in his natural position, and the ability to roll 3 centers if we want, or put any center with any other center as in-game situations dictate, never missing a beat, always giving other teams headaches. With the added bonus of watching a cerebral wizard playing where he needs to play to allow his elite vision, hockey sense, and passing drive the right kind of hockey in the right direction.What we will see: Samson Reinhart, ok top 6 winger, continuing to struggle on the boards and rarely having the puck. Picking up PP points because he can still manage to squeak some productivity out of his misuse. These 15 meaningless games putting no time into his development in his natural position, the summer carrying conversation on this board that has worry start to creep in that we are permanently ruining him playing him this way. Turning him into Pominville with more of a muffin shot, and maybe 10 less points per year in his prime, instead of an all-situations 70 point center. Not even TRYING to get him to this point at center. Sadness knowing that even if we had tried to develop him at C and failed, at least there wouldn't be the sense of "what if", there'd be a satisfaction in knowing that we did all we could. Playing AHL wingers at center to avoid this, even when 22 goes down for the year and 28 misses a stretch of games. Nic Deslauriers has played center since the last time Samson lined up there, and so has Foligno. Sam Reinhart will not be playing center. What we could see: Baptiste coming up, and him, Bailey, Fasching, and ERod (and hopefully Carrier but I don't think he's coming back) being sprinkled and rotated through all lines, getting to know what it takes to play where we ultimately need them to play. It's okay when they make mistakes, because they're going to make us smile with flashes as well. They will mesh well with some players, not so well with others. We'll get an idea of what the future holds, what we may look like next year, groupings we may like to see after another summer of development. Less time watching the worst corsi forward probably in the modern era. Less time watching contract albatrosses spend half the game with Eichel. What we will see: Fourth lines of 26-71-44, getting little time. 63-71-56 sitting most of the third period. Deslauriers play every game the rest of this season.What we could see: Rested Risto, ice time down to 22 minutes, less shorthanded time. Falk and Fedun permanently over Gorges, continuing to be our best possession defensemen in sheltered minutes.What we will see: at least 5 more 31+ minute games for Risto, 15 Gorges minors, 60 Gorges giveaways, 15 Gorges interviews about how he's disappointed in how the team played. What we could see: Dan fired after guiding the team to the worst even strength scoring rates the league has seen since it ended the dead puck era, for a stretch of almost 25 games. Dan fired after losing the team against Minnesota. Dan fired after losing the team in Brooklyn. Dan fired after losing the season being swept by the Bruins, including a game in which they gave up a 2-0 lead, spending 2 periods with a 1-2-2 forecheck and having the corsi flip by 500% during those periods. Dan fired after back-to-back losses against the worst teams in the league. Dan fired after consistently "not having his team ready to play" and letting them dwell in Pittsburgh on their way to allowing 6 ES goals to a team that has no idea how to score goals at ES. Dan fired after getting Eichel back, having the same win percentage with as without him, and giving this team a horrendous transition system that may have worked 15 years ago but will never work again. Dan fired after giving up a 3 goal lead, and players consistently hinting at needing to stop pulling guys and continuing to try and score. Dan fired after leading a team that has the talent to carry the BEST PP UNIT IN THE LEAGUE and yet cannot climb out of the bottom 3 with either possession stats or with even strength scoring stats. Dan fired for this complete failure of a season and inability to control his lockerroom or get his players to buy in. (Something that was rarely talked about - why wouldn't the players be disrespectful and ignore the coach after 30 games of grinding hockey that is killer on their bodies gave results that were historically bad?) Dan fired after the lockerroom exit interviews with GMTM indicate that the players insist it's time he's gone. What we will see: This team sitting 13th in the east just before Christmas break 2017, bottom 3 in possession and ES scoring, Samson still at wing, ROR out with a hernia, Risto already fatigued, and Dan standing behind the bench for his last game as a Sabre, a 5-2 defeat at the hands of the Boston Bruins. New coach can't get us to the playoffs (it'll be Bob Woods or Terry Murray, whichever has the strongest Judaeo-Christian values) and Jack and Sam's ELC comes to an end as they sit at home in April watching Matthews put up 14 points in 12 playoff games as the Leafs almost make the ECF. Edited March 8, 2017 by Randall Flagg
Brawndo Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 According to RJ and Rayzor on the radio he got sat following a turnover that led to the first goal. It was a topic of conversation during the first intermission about how you don't want to kill his creativity but that he needs to be more responsible as well. Wait the same coach who said on GR three weeks ago that if Jack isn't committing 4-5 turnovers a game I will bench him, benches him for a turnover? He also calls out the only player who did anything in his post game presser, stating he tried to carry the puck through the neutral zone? Danny Boy didn't you learn not to call out your superstar? Bring me Sheldon Keefe!
Doohicksie Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) No way, man. This is the new Drew Stafford must go thread We had that ###### going for like, 5 years! Here's hoping this thread doesn't last nearly that long. The longer this goes the more the meaning of "Sharpen Your Swords" changes. :w00t: Edited March 8, 2017 by Doohickie
dudacek Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 What we could see: ----snip---- Why does it have to hurt so much? Tim has to see it? Doesn't he?
TrueBlueGED Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Why does it have to hurt so much? Tim has to see it? Doesn't he? I'm honestly at the point where if Murray sticks with Bylsma heading into next season, then I want him fired too. It would render null any other good he has done and will do.
North Buffalo Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 An interesting thing about teams that get blown out at home by crappy teams: they often fire their coaches. So do teams that allow six even strength goals, to teams that haven't scored 6 even strength goals all year... And teams that blow 3-0 leads... And teams that lose back-to-back to the league's worst teams... And teams that go on 1-5-2 at the season's most crucial point... And teams... It's going to happen. Think I remember the Flyers doing it one year during the Drury Briere era. Wait the same coach who said on GR three weeks ago that if Jack isn't committing 4-5 turnovers a game I will bench him, benches him for a turnover? He also calls out the only player who did anything in his post game presser, stating he tried to carry the puck through the neutral zone? Danny Boy didn't you learn not to call out your superstar? Bring me Sheldon Keefe! Did DD really do that? Guy is clueless and needs to let go. Yes Jack made a mistake, but zip it DD on TV. Yeh it is time for DD to go and again if TM doesn't do it TPEGS needs to let TM go too asap before the draft and you send Lehner to whatever team TM lands with for a first round pick since he seems so in love with him....
matter2003 Posted March 8, 2017 Author Report Posted March 8, 2017 Think I remember the Flyers doing it one year during the Drury Briere era. Did DD really do that? Guy is clueless and needs to let go. Yes Jack made a mistake, but zip it DD on TV. Yeh it is time for DD to go and again if TM doesn't do it TPEGS needs to let TM go too asap before the draft and you send Lehner to whatever team TM lands with for a first round pick since he seems so in love with him.... Then Jack comes back and scored twice...for a 3 point night...Apparently he is the only one who showed up tonight
eman Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Time for Dan to keep his appointment with "The Wicker Man".
RonHextallsShoulderPads Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 i knew things were off when the BN had quotes from Sabres yesterday about having to make the long change every other period and how hard it was. what?! you've been doing that since you were a kid. not to mention the OTHER team has to do that as well. what is going on?
Robviously Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 I'm honestly at the point where if Murray sticks with Bylsma heading into next season, then I want him fired too. It would render null any other good he has done and will do. Isn't it doing that now?
Stoner Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Why does it have to hurt so much? Tim has to see it? Doesn't he? He knows the timeline. He has a plan. ZFG would have fired Bylsma around the holidays. That was one GM ago.
Derrico Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 This is getting to be unreal. The fanbase has completely lost faith in the coach. How can they bring him back? Ticket sales are down as it is (atleast the resale market is showing the lack of demand). DD calling out Jack? When he was the best player on the ice for either team?? If Jack played exactly how Dan wanted this team would rarely score more than 1 goal a game. Kind of like when he missed the first 20 games!!!
WildCard Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 This is getting to be unreal. The fanbase has completely lost faith in the coach. How can they bring him back? Ticket sales are down as it is (atleast the resale market is showing the lack of demand). DD calling out Jack? When he was the best player on the ice for either team?? If Jack played exactly how Dan wanted this team would rarely score more than 1 goal a game. Kind of like when he missed the first 20 games!!! ###### Yeah that part was amazing. Then WGR spent the entire show critiquing Jack for his turnover at center ice that led to a goal. I can't tell which is worse, Buffalo media or our HC
darksabre Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 I'm still angry this morning. This year has been a total waste. In a season that started with injuries, they're now missing the playoffs, and instead of finishing strong and showing that they're improved, and that the playoff miss was just bad luck, it would appear that this team actually just suuuuuuuucks. They are no better than they were in the pre-season. Zero improvement. In fact I would say this is regression.
Doohicksie Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 I can't argue with you. I see two big problems: 1. Not enough quality D, and 2. The players that have overstayed their welcomes and still have contract left. Well, besides the coach, of course.
Sabre fan Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 seems pretty sad that Jack is somehow blamed for anything...he is young and still learning and clearly is a very good player. what is not good is the defensive system Blysma tries to implement, one that Lindy proved does not work...come out and get a few goals then hang on for dear life. The D are playing a system that is not suited for today's skating and passing style that sees other teams letting their D get involved, and not afraid to pass and/or go with the puck. After Blysma was fired from pittsburg, they immediately became a more offensive-minded team with the D moving freely and not afraid to join the rush. hell, our D on paper is just as good (if not better) then many teams but they are playing a system (or trying to anyways) that is not suited for the NHL. Even Babs allows the Leafs to play whatever style best compliments the individual player. one cannot ask every player to play the same boring system. as soon as a player leaves Buffalo and goes to a team that allows them to play to their strengths they excel, or at least play pretty good. the list is long and it hurts to see guys like Byron on Montreal playing so well. it was never the players, it was the coach and system...it was Lindy and Blysma is pretty much a carbon-copy of his outdated and boring "system"
Derrico Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 DDB says a couple of weeks ago that 'he would bench Jack if he wasn't turning the puck over 5 times a game.' He turns it over once in the first period and there's a benching. WTF?
RustySabre Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 DDB says a couple of weeks ago that 'he would bench Jack if he wasn't turning the puck over 5 times a game.' He turns it over once in the first period and there's a benching. WTF? He doesn't even listen to himself, why would the players listen?
That Aud Smell Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 According to RJ and Rayzor on the radio he got sat following a turnover that led to the first goal. It was a topic of conversation during the first intermission about how you don't want to kill his creativity but that he needs to be more responsible as well. Seems reasonable. :death: Please end this It can't come too soon, really. Yeah that part was amazing. Then WGR spent the entire show critiquing Jack for his turnover at center ice that led to a goal. I can't tell which is worse, Buffalo media or our HC Good job. Good hustle. DDB says a couple of weeks ago that 'he would bench Jack if he wasn't turning the puck over 5 times a game.' He turns it over once in the first period and there's a benching. WTF? I know it. He said it. JFC. Just hit the bricks already. Also, for those who've said it, I agree that if GM TM doesn't separate Dreary Dan than he can take a flying leap as well. Of course, that would leave the Sabres hockey department completely rudderless. Which would also suck.
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Benching him for a turnover is pretty stupid considering he is your best and hottest player. Jack has only 35 giveaways for the entire season and 28 takeaways. That's only -7. If DD is going nuts about that he needs his head examined. Jack is second in giveaways to Risto (52) but only has had one more then Okposo who only has 25 takeaways. Jack is a 2nd year player who is still learning what he can and can't do in the NHL. These are the growing pains we need to expect from the most dynamic and creative player on the team. What worries me more is the 40% faceoff win%. If Jack is going to be an elite player and help us shrink ROR's TOI, he needs to get to 50% or better.
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