Neo Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) I thought it was obvious that Ristos defensive struggles were holding Moulson back last season. If Risto can improve defensively with a 5 year deal, Moulson should thrive offensively.... or continue to struggle because its a game for faster players now and he's no a very good skater.pi, I love this post. You, the players, the contract, the tongue in cheek analysis. I voted Reinhart. I'd not be surprised, but fall short of predicting, more points than Jack. I love the evolution. Edited October 9, 2016 by N'eo Quote
Randall Flagg Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 Not Eichel. The cream is working.Plus he won't be close to that ice cream freezer. Quote
Stoner Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 Plus he won't be close to that ice cream freezer. Good point! I think he said the Snickers was his favorite. You know what they say about chocolate... Quote
sodbuster Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 I picked mccabe, mostly just because we need the blue line to step up big and we gotta get lucky eventually, right? Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted October 9, 2016 Report Posted October 9, 2016 I picked mccabe, mostly just because we need the blue line to step up big and we gotta get lucky eventually, right? Do you also apply this logic to lottery tickets? :p Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Posted October 13, 2016 I wonder if Jack's injury changes a few votes? My top 3 right now after camp and based on Jack's injury are Reinhart, McCabe and Fasching. I think Reinhart and Fasching get the most opportunities to pick up the slack and I think McCabe is going to be this team's best all around D by season's end. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 I wonder if Jack's injury changes a few votes? My top 3 right now after camp and based on Jack's injury are Reinhart, McCabe and Fasching. I think Reinhart and Fasching get the most opportunities to pick up the slack and I think McCabe is going to be this team's best all around D by season's end. Don't get me wrong, I love bold predictions, but this belief combined with your cynical view of Risto confuses the hell out of me :lol: Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Posted October 13, 2016 Don't get me wrong, I love bold predictions, but this belief combined with your cynical view of Risto confuses the hell out of me :lol: Don't be confused. I think Risto is an excellent offensive defenseman. While I believe he'll get better defensively, it won't ever be his strong suit. I don't see him as the no. 1 penalty killer or the guy you give massive D zone starts in critical situations. On the other hand, I think McCabe grows into those defensive roles, but over the next few years he adds more offense. I see eventually him adding 30 pts of offense to his game to go with excellent defense. Quote
qwksndmonster Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 Risto isn't good at defense despite his playing pretty darn well defensively against brutal matchups, yet McCabe will be better despite the fact that he struggled defensively on the 2nd and 3rd pair last year? I hope McCabe takes a huge step forward but I can't envision a world where he leaps Risto defensively. Quote
wjag Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 I went with Lehner mostly because I need it to be true... Quote
darksabre Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 I went with Lehner mostly because I need it to be true... Agreed. But I picked Jake McCabe. I think he's going to surprise people. Quote
qwksndmonster Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 I either picked Larsson or Reinhart, don't remember which. Does it really count as breaking out if Larsson solidifies himself as a fine 3rd liner like I think he will? Quote
pi2000 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 I wonder if Jack's injury changes a few votes? My top 3 right now after camp and based on Jack's injury are Reinhart, McCabe and Fasching. I think Reinhart and Fasching get the most opportunities to pick up the slack and I think McCabe is going to be this team's best all around D by season's end. I really like McCabe too. He turned it up offensively at the end of last season and he's the best skater they have on the blueline. If he keeps that going he could land on the top pairing in short order. Quote
qwksndmonster Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 I really like McCabe too. He turned it up offensively at the end of last season and he's the best skater they have on the blueline. If he keeps that going he could land on the top pairing in short order.I don't think McCabe is better than Risto at skating. Is he better than Kulikov? Quote
pi2000 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) I don't think McCabe is better than Risto at skating. Is he better than Kulikov? I disagree. McCabe is better than both, quicker, more agile, higher top end speed. He just needs to improve his decision making, which comes with experience. Edited October 13, 2016 by pi2000 Quote
Randall Flagg Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 I think Risto is better at skating than McCabe as well, but the difference isn't large. Kulikov is better than both. Quote
qwksndmonster Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 I disagree. McCabe is better than both, quicker, more agile, higher top end speed. He just needs to improve his decision making, which comes with experience.I have not seen this.I think Risto is better at skating than McCabe as well, but the difference isn't large. Kulikov is better than both.Kulikov is a good skater? Nice. I'm excited to finally get a look at him. Quote
dudacek Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 In terms of power and straight line speed Bogo is better than all of them. Quote
darksabre Posted October 13, 2016 Report Posted October 13, 2016 In terms of power and straight line speed Bogo is better than all of them. Quote
Marvelo Posted October 14, 2016 Report Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) zemgus.pdf It will be Zemgus. (att: Zemgus from his first album, "Meet the Zemgus.") Edited October 14, 2016 by Marvelo Quote
pi2000 Posted October 14, 2016 Report Posted October 14, 2016 In terms of power and straight line speed Bogo is better than all of them. True, but he lacks quickness, it takes him about 18 strides to get up to full speed. Quote
Doohicksie Posted October 17, 2016 Report Posted October 17, 2016 A lot of talk about who belongs on the top D pairing. My question is: Do you want your best two defensemen on the first D pairing? Maybe you put the best D on the first pairing, and the second best on the second pairing, and you make the other half of each pair a complementary player (like last year- flashy Risto and stay-at-home Gorges, although I'm not advocating Gorges as a top pairing guy going forward). Quote
Taro T Posted October 17, 2016 Report Posted October 17, 2016 A lot of talk about who belongs on the top D pairing. My question is: Do you want your best two defensemen on the first D pairing? Maybe you put the best D on the first pairing, and the second best on the second pairing, and you make the other half of each pair a complementary player (like last year- flashy Risto and stay-at-home Gorges, although I'm not advocating Gorges as a top pairing guy going forward). Unless you have a very special case (like Anaheim w/ Pronger & Niedermayer circa 2007) or Doughty paired w/ McNabb more recently, yes you typically want your best 2 eating up 24 minutes against the other team's best. Give your 2nd pair 20 minutes & put a 4 F PP unit out there & you can give Gorges & (blank) 12-13 minutes a night. Roll your forwards properly & you can weather the 2-3 shifts / game they get caught against the other team's top line. Quote
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