Evander Kane arrested on misdemeanor charge for June nightclub incident

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John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl  34m34 minutes ago

Sabres' Evander Kane: "These situations are what they are. They happen to athletes or people in a position such as myself. ... (1)

John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl  31m31 minutes ago

E-Kane: "These things unfortunately happen more often than not." Asked to agree that it's still a small percentage: "I couldn't comment."

 

Bill Hoppe ‏@BillHoppeNHL  31m31 minutes ago

(1/2) Evander Kane on offseason incident: "Those are things you just have to deal with, kind of come with the territory. ...

Bill Hoppe ‏@BillHoppeNHL  31m31 minutes ago

(2/2) Evander Kane: ...you have to be a little bit more aware and kind of put yourself on a higher pedestal than you think you are." #Sabres

[That Aud Smell]

Kane's takeaway from these incidents is that he needs to place himself on a higher pedestal.

 

Great.

[MattPie]

Kane's takeaway from these incidents is that he needs to place himself on a higher pedestal.

 

Great.

 

If that's his way of saying he'll stop slumming and on the lookout for rando hookups, I'll take it.

[That Aud Smell]

If that's his way of saying he'll stop slumming and on the lookout for rando hookups, I'll take it.

 

Blechk.

 

I guess.

[Hank]

Yes, he should definitely spend a grand on a high class call girl than hook up with random puck bunnies on Chippewa. Hell, he should have a half dozen of them on retainer.

[nfreeman]

Blechk.

 

I guess.

 

You know, there is a fairly decent likelihood that Kane is telling the truth and isn't guilty of anything. 

Yes, he should definitely spend a grand on a high class call girl than hook up with random puck bunnies on Chippewa. Hell, he should have a half dozen of them on retainer.

 

I don't remember who it was specifically that said it, but I remember a pretty prominent sports writer saying that he's heard from a number of prominent athletes that they patronize high-end escort services to avoid shakedowns, recriminations, accusations, etc.

[bcsaberks]

 

John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl  34m34 minutes ago

Sabres' Evander Kane: "These situations are what they are. They happen to athletes or people in a position such as myself. ... (1)

John Vogl ‏@BuffNewsVogl  31m31 minutes ago

E-Kane: "These things unfortunately happen more often than not." Asked to agree that it's still a small percentage: "I couldn't comment."

 

Bill Hoppe ‏@BillHoppeNHL  31m31 minutes ago

(1/2) Evander Kane on offseason incident: "Those are things you just have to deal with, kind of come with the territory. ...

Bill Hoppe ‏@BillHoppeNHL  31m31 minutes ago

(2/2) Evander Kane: ...you have to be a little bit more aware and kind of put yourself on a higher pedestal than you think you are." #Sabres

 

Video for those with twitter - https://twitter.com/Matt_Bove/status/778974400385282048

 

Sabres PR people need to have an intervention or something.  Get this guy some help.  Is he playing the victim card?

[That Aud Smell]

You know, there is a fairly decent likelihood that Kane is telling the truth and isn't guilty of anything. 

 

I'm keenly aware that you harbour such thoughts. I trust you're aware that I harbour different ones.

 

Meanwhile, the guy in question today addressed the controversy by acknowledging the need to place himself on a higher pedestal.

 

Good luck to you.

[Hank]

As

You know, there is a fairly decent likelihood that Kane is telling the truth and isn't guilty of anything. 

 

I don't remember who it was specifically that said it, but I remember a pretty prominent sports writer saying that he's heard from a number of prominent athletes that they patronize high-end escort services to avoid shakedowns, recriminations, accusations, etc.

As they should. Unless an athlete is looking for a potential wife they're much better off going to the professionals. It's a business transaction after all, they're purchasing services.

[That Aud Smell]

Sabres PR people need to have an intervention or something.  Get this guy some help.  Is he playing the victim card?

 

these things happen. more and more. look at other sports. atta boy, evander.

Here's my point, freeman, stated another way: I believe firmly that the truth in these kinds of situations almost always resides somewhere in the middle, or in a middling range. That there's fault to go around. That everyone acted poorly and everyone did things they now regret.

 

In view of that, to read and see his comments on the matters (more than one, don't forget) is nothing short of discouraging. No humility. No self-awareness. No sense of agency for what he does and fails to do out there in the world.

 

Honest to God: that guy.

 

Sorry. I know I've said it upthread. It feels good to say it, though.

[nfreeman]

I'm keenly aware that you harbour such thoughts. I trust you're aware that I harbour different ones.

 

 

Well, I don't think I was aware that you thought there was zero possibility that he is not guilty.

 

 

these things happen. more and more. look at other sports. atta boy, evander.

Here's my point, freeman, stated another way: I believe firmly that the truth in these kinds of situations almost always resides somewhere in the middle, or in a middling range. That there's fault to go around. That everyone acted poorly and everyone did things they now regret.

 

In view of that, to read and see his comments on the matters (more than one, don't forget) is nothing short of discouraging. No humility. No self-awareness. No sense of agency for what he does and fails to do out there in the world.

 

Honest to God: ###### that guy.

 

Sorry. I know I've said it upthread. It feels good to say it, though.

 

Well, it kinda depends on the specifics of the "fault," innit?

 

Let's suppose Kane took a woman back to his hotel room, they had consensual sex and he then behaved like a jerk and told her to get lost.  In that situation, he would be "at fault" for acting like a jerk and creating a situation in which blowback is possible -- but would you agree that he would NOT be "at fault" for rape or anything close to it?

[Stoner]

Kane's takeaway from these incidents is that he needs to place himself on a higher pedestal.

 

Great.

Doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt for aiming for one expression -- hold myself to a higher standard, possibly -- and grasping another?

[That Aud Smell]

You know, there is a fairly decent likelihood that Kane is telling the truth and isn't guilty of anything. 

I'm keenly aware that you harbour such thoughts. I trust you're aware that I harbour different ones.

Well, I don't think I was aware that you thought there was zero possibility that he is not guilty.

 

Where's the Gipper? There you go again.

 

The focus there is on the truth. I'm not wading into the morass of whether he could be found guilty of a crime. Probably not. His demeanor is of someone who thinks he's done nothing wrong. Nothing. I'm of a mind that he most certainly did do some things wrong. And that other people did too. And I also happen to think that he is a grade A prick for having the view of the matter that he does. Just my take. I can't know anything for sure without more information.

 

Doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt for aiming for one expression -- hold myself to a higher standard, possibly -- and grasping another?

 

Hmm. That is good work - the product of a creative thinker. Thank you.

 

I'm not sure. Maybe? It definitely was not the phrase he wanted.

 

But what would Dr. Freud say to that?

Edited September 22, 2016 by That Aud Smell

[dudacek]

Video for those with twitter - https://twitter.com/Matt_Bove/status/778974400385282048

 

Sabres PR people need to have an intervention or something.  Get this guy some help.  Is he playing the victim card?

I have no doubt he firmly believes himself to be the victim.

The question is is that because it is true or because he is a narcissist?

Or does the truth lie somewhere in between?

 

Only place we have any hope of finding out is in a court of law.

Not that that will influence those whose opinions are already formed (not a shot at those on this board)

[That Aud Smell]

Only place we have any hope of finding out is in a court of law.

Not that that will influence those whose opinions are already formed (not a shot at those on this board)

 

Don't hold your breath.

 

 

To the second point: If there were full proceedings on this, and a clear(er) picture emerged, I'd certainly be open to changing my mind. I've just got it made up right now is all.

[nfreeman]

Where's the Gipper? There you go again.

 

The focus there is on the truth. I'm not wading into the morass of whether he could be found guilty of a crime. Probably not. His demeanor is of someone who thinks he's done nothing wrong. Nothing. I'm of a mind that he most certainly did do some things wrong. And that other people did too. And I also happen to think that he is a grade A prick for having the view of the matter that he does. Just my take. I can't know anything for sure without more information.

 

 

I'm not sure whether we're talking past each other here.

 

I don't see how you can form a view as to his opinion that he did nothing wrong without knowing what happened.

 

It seems like your opinion is that he must've done something wrong or else these situations wouldn't have occurred.  I suppose this is reasonable and defensible -- but I just think the range of wrongful acts he may have committed is so wide (and, I will reiterate, must include zero wrongful acts whatsoever) as to make your conclusion an unjustified one.

 

And now I think we've beaten this horse to death.

[That Aud Smell]

I don't see how you can form a view as to his opinion that he did nothing wrong without knowing what happened.

 

It's easy. I gather what available information there is (this includes things beyond the incidents, of course), or the information about which I'm aware, I let it mull around a bit, and I form a #take.

 

Bazinga!

 

 

It seems like your opinion is that he must've done something wrong or else these situations wouldn't have occurred.  I suppose this is reasonable and defensible -- but I just think the range of wrongful acts he may have committed is so wide (and, I will reiterate, must include zero wrongful acts whatsoever) as to make your conclusion an unjustified one.

 

As I've said, I acknowledge that there's only so much information to go on. But those sworn statements from a bouncer and a couple of gals at the club aren't nothing.

 

And as I've also said: Some of this on my part, a good amount of this, is gut-level. I've digested his interviews, his social media content. I've formed an opinion. It's not set in stone. But it is what it is, right now.

[That Aud Smell]

 

Vogl with a take on E Kane in this morning's TBN. Solid stuff:

 

"If Kane was being honest with his answers and comments, he’s bordering on delusional."

 

Yawp.

[3putt]

Purely from a legal pov, he is the subject of 2 legal proceedings.  In the one he has counter claimed. He has to be careful what he says. Any contrite statements can be.used against him. I would not expect them until all of this is resolved 

[That Aud Smell]

Purely from a legal pov, he is the subject of 2 legal proceedings. In the one he has counter claimed. He has to be careful what he says. Any contrite statements can be.used against him. I would not expect them until all of this is resolved

Excellent point. We'll see if any are forthcoming (contrite statements).

 

Otoh, if he's showing awareness of his pending legal matters, why not say nothing at all or say the same thing over and over -- a la Pat Kane?

 

The statements he made could be twisted around and used against him, with a little effort.

[That Aud Smell]

ALL IS FORGIVEN, EVANDER.

 

https://twitter.com/ShannonShep4/status/779319743849324544/video/1

[OP Class '75]

these things happen. more and more. look at other sports. atta boy, evander.

Here's my point, freeman, stated another way: I believe firmly that the truth in these kinds of situations almost always resides somewhere in the middle, or in a middling range. That there's fault to go around. That everyone acted poorly and everyone did things they now regret.

 

In view of that, to read and see his comments on the matters (more than one, don't forget) is nothing short of discouraging. No humility. No self-awareness. No sense of agency for what he does and fails to do out there in the world.

 

Honest to God: ###### that guy.

 

Sorry. I know I've said it upthread. It feels good to say it, though.

If I ever had a hair of an opening to give Evander Kane another chance, that hair is gone.  It is time for him to go, PERIOD!!!!  I don't care the cost.  He is a Cancer, plain and simple, and his removal is necessary.  Cut Him!!!  His departure would be an addition by subtraction.

[BagBoy]

Actually he is a Leo.

[Hank]

If I ever had a hair of an opening to give Evander Kane another chance, that hair is gone.  It is time for him to go, PERIOD!!!!  I don't care the cost.  He is a Cancer, plain and simple, and his removal is necessary.  Cut Him!!!  His departure would be an addition by subtraction.

I'll take banned poster with a new user name for 200 Alex.

[That Aud Smell]

I'll take banned poster with a new user name for 200 Alex.

 

Hmmm.

 

But that profile dates back to July 2011.