MDFan Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Actually, an underperming forward for a D man which fills a big need is not a bad deal. Whether they should have drafted Hall in the first place is a different question. This helps the Oilers. Quote
Eleven Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 I love the part where Jeremy White showed a screenshot that this is impossible in a video game. Connor must be one sorry Bieber-lookalike. Quote
LTS Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 I'm dying here. Well.. we used to say the Sabres were the most pathetic franchise in the NHL and I was always happy I wasn't an Oiler fan given how many #1 picks they can rack up and still suck. This just cements it. They are the worst franchise in the NHL. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 I'm dying here. Well.. we used to say the Sabres were the most pathetic franchise in the NHL and I was always happy I wasn't an Oiler fan given how many #1 picks they can rack up and still suck. This just cements it. They are the worst franchise in the NHL. The sad thing is, McDavid might be good enough where the Oilers are still markedly better next season, and a whole bunch of people try to re-write history on how bad this trade was. Quote
Eleven Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 The sad thing is, McDavid might be good enough where the Oilers are still markedly better next season, and a whole bunch of people try to re-write history on how bad this trade was. Nope. It doesn't matter how good McDavid is. They could have had a #1 D for Hall. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Nope. It doesn't matter how good McDavid is. They could have had a #1 D for Hall. I think you've overestimating the average level of hockey commentary. You've seen intermission shows, right? Everything is chemistry, and grit, and heart, and blah blah blah. Oilers push for a playoff spot, mainstream nitwits are going to praise Chiarelli "changing the culture" and a bunch of other nonsense. Quote
Ducky Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Larsson is a better D man than Fowler but no way would I give up Hall for him. RNH maybe and Eberle in a heartbeat.....rumors about Hall's character but they are just rumors. Rumor also has it the effin Bruins are going to give Trouba an offer sheet that will cost them the next four 1st round draft picks...if that is true, Trouba will be a Bruin. The only team I hate more than the Oilers is the Bruins. A million first rounders and can't scrape themselves off of the basement floor? I think Chia got fleeced but Larsson is a better D man than he is given credit. Quote
dudacek Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Well, Larsson does have more playoff goals than Hall... Quote
Huckleberry Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) ###### asked risto from us, not getting this lol Larsson is a better D man than Fowler but no way would I give up Hall for him. RNH maybe and Eberle in a heartbeat.....rumors about Hall's character but they are just rumors. Rumor also has it the effin Bruins are going to give Trouba an offer sheet that will cost them the next four 1st round draft picks...if that is true, Trouba will be a Bruin. The only team I hate more than the Oilers is the Bruins. A million first rounders and can't scrape themselves off of the basement floor? I think Chia got fleeced but Larsson is a better D man than he is given credit. If they do that you just happily walk away from trouba. Edited June 30, 2016 by Huckleberry Quote
Robviously Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 And just like that, the euphoria Oilers fans were feeling from randomly being able to draft Puljujarvi this year is gone. Quote
kas23 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 5) Building off of #4, this is case in point about why "Why do you think you know better than GM ____?" is such a bad argument. Oh boy do I hate this argument. Some people don't realize the NHL/NFL/NBA season is zero sum game. Not everyone wins. For every winner, there has to be a loser. Sort of like the stock market and mutual fund managers. Index funds have been proven to outperform most actively managed (by a professionals nonetheless!) funds. Quote
Hoss Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 FWIW, I've seen a lot of Oilers fans coming around to this trade pretty quickly. I think there's still a sigh of relief that they finally got a defenseman. I do think Adam Larsson will be a top-pairing dman within two years if not by the end of next season. I still wouldn't have given Hall for him. If I'm giving somebody Hall they better be giving me a dman I KNOW is CURRENTLY a top-pairing dman and will be a top-pairing dman for at least five seasons. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Larsson is a better D man than Fowler but no way would I give up Hall for him. RNH maybe and Eberle in a heartbeat.....rumors about Hall's character but they are just rumors. Rumor also has it the effin Bruins are going to give Trouba an offer sheet that will cost them the next four 1st round draft picks...if that is true, Trouba will be a Bruin. The only team I hate more than the Oilers is the Bruins. A million first rounders and can't scrape themselves off of the basement floor? I think Chia got fleeced but Larsson is a better D man than he is given credit. Take the 4 first rounders and run, if they do that. You could immediately trade those picks for a defenseman better than Trouba. I hope Boston does this. And yeah, Larsson is still growing. He's gonna be good. The value here still isn't close enough. I'd be breaking things if I was an Oilers fan. No Hall, and still no #1 D that can QB a power play. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Larsson is already very good defensively, but there are no signs that he has real offensive upside. I'd also note that his "progress" and "upward trend" just so happened to coincide with Cory Schneider being given the starting job full time. Just sayin... Quote
Eleven Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 I think you've overestimating the average level of hockey commentary. You've seen intermission shows, right? Everything is chemistry, and grit, and heart, and blah blah blah. Oilers push for a playoff spot, mainstream nitwits are going to praise Chiarelli "changing the culture" and a bunch of other nonsense. Chiarelli may not live to see tomorrow. Quote
Hoss Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Larsson is already very good defensively, but there are no signs that he has real offensive upside. I'd also note that his "progress" and "upward trend" just so happened to coincide with Cory Schneider being given the starting job full time. Just sayin... Huh? Larsson had been seen as a possible bust until this season where many people think he took a huge step forward. Schneider has been their starter for three seasons. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Huh? Larsson had been seen as a possible bust until this season where many people think he took a huge step forward. Schneider has been their starter for three seasons. His on-ice defensive value statistically went up in 2014, Schneider's first year as starter full time (68 starts). In 2013, he was still sharing the net with a decrepit Brodeur (43 starts for Schneider, 39 for Brodeur). Quote
dudacek Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Are we safe to assume the Oilers could have had Fowler or Shat, but preferred Larsson? Or was Hall's cap hit too much for those guys? Quote
Randall Flagg Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Are we safe to assume the Oilers could have had Fowler or Shat, but preferred Larsson? Or was Hall's cap hit too much for those guys? I would have thought before today that Hall would get a defenseman a tier above those guys, so I'm inclined to say that they could have. The Blues or Ducks would have made it work. Imagine if Kovalchuk was still in NJ in his prime. Hall-Kovalchuk, with any schlub in the middle (Henrique isn't a schlub), would have been amazing. Quote
Hoss Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Are we safe to assume the Oilers could have had Fowler or Shat, but preferred Larsson? Or was Hall's cap hit too much for those guys? I would prefer Larsson to both if I were Edmonton. Shattenkirk only because I don't think Shattenkirk signs an extension with anybody outside of Northeast America. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey 23m23 minutes ago McKenzie: "I don't believe for a moment the #Oilers are finished the reconstruction of their blueline." So let me get this right. Edmonton trades their second best forward, a guy who cumulatively over the last four seasons ranks 3rd in the entire NHL in even strength scoring rate, for a defenseman...and they're still not satisfied with their defense. Although I think this trade is hilariously lopsided, I don't think a top-4 of Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, and Nurse (?) is bad at all. Quote
WildCard Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 Larsson is a better D man than Fowler but no way would I give up Hall for him. RNH maybe and Eberle in a heartbeat.....rumors about Hall's character but they are just rumors. Rumor also has it the effin Bruins are going to give Trouba an offer sheet that will cost them the next four 1st round draft picks...if that is true, Trouba will be a Bruin. The only team I hate more than the Oilers is the Bruins. A million first rounders and can't scrape themselves off of the basement floor? I think Chia got fleeced but Larsson is a better D man than he is given credit. I think Fowler is better than Larsson FWIW, I've seen a lot of Oilers fans coming around to this trade pretty quickly. I think there's still a sigh of relief that they finally got a defenseman. I do think Adam Larsson will be a top-pairing dman within two years if not by the end of next season. I still wouldn't have given Hall for him. If I'm giving somebody Hall they better be giving me a dman I KNOW is CURRENTLY a top-pairing dman and will be a top-pairing dman for at least five seasons. Every fan base comes around quickly. Remember the Myers trade on here? Huh? Larsson had been seen as a possible bust until this season where many people think he took a huge step forward. Schneider has been their starter for three seasons. While he’s posted strong possession numbers at times (a Corsi For percentage of 54.9 percent in the 24 games he played in 2013-14), he’s also been downright awful at others (that percentage dropped as low as 43.5 percent in a full 2015-16 campaign). He hasn’t done much offensively either, maxing out at 24 points in 2014-15 – a total that dropped to just 18 points for the offensively deprived Devils last season. So it’s fair to say Edmonton didn’t find their backup to the failed P.K. Subban deal. Larsson did manage to lead all Devils defenders in terms of goals-against per 60 minutes, with his mark of 1.4 being the lowest of all his fellow blueliners. But he’s far from a workhorse that can bring Edmonton’s defense back from the brink. Today’s Slapshot’s ow http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-west/edmonton-oilers/chiarelli-misses-the-mark-once-again-with-taylor-hall-tradehttps://twitter.com/Classlicity/status/748235123947036672/photo/1 Are we safe to assume the Oilers could have had Fowler or Shat, but preferred Larsson? Or was Hall's cap hit too much for those guys? I think they could have, even if it meant unloading another guy. But they're both UFA's after next year, and I'm not sure that tire fire could convince them to stay Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey 23m23 minutes ago McKenzie: "I don't believe for a moment the #Oilers are finished the reconstruction of their blueline." So let me get this right. Edmonton trades their second best forward, a guy who cumulatively over the last four seasons ranks 3rd in the entire NHL in even strength scoring rate, for a defenseman...and they're still not satisfied with their defense. Although I think this trade is hilariously lopsided, I don't think a top-4 of Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, and Nurse (?) is bad at all. That top 4 looks better than ours. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 That top 4 looks better than ours. I agree. And that's not good for business. Klefbom ~ Risto, Larsson > Kulikov, Sekera >~ Bogosian (I don't want to re-litigate Bogo's value), Nurse ~ McCabe. Quote
WildCard Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) I agree. And that's not good for business. Klefbom ~ Risto, Larsson > Kulikov, Sekera >~ Bogosian (I don't want to re-litigate Bogo's value), Nurse ~ McCabe. Klefbom is underrated, that's for sure. Larsson is the swing here, as I'm not sure he pans out. So Hall is slighted. No expectations though, Larsson "I don't want to sound like I am not excited to join New Jersey,'' Hall said. "That's not the case. I'm a proud person, and I take this as an indictment of me as a hockey player. I don't think there is any other way to treat it. I think it's safe to say I am a very motivated player right now." http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/16620307/new-jersey-devils-acquire-taylor-hall-trade-edmonton-oilers Edited June 30, 2016 by WildCard Quote
dudacek Posted June 30, 2016 Report Posted June 30, 2016 This Hall quote (even if warranted) tells you why some were turned off by Hall's personality. Quote
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