Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 3, 2016 Report Posted October 3, 2016 Are not ELC's dictated by the league as to term and $? So, they are neither a bargain, or not, right? Quote
pi2000 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Posted October 3, 2016 Are not ELC's dictated by the league as to term and $? So, they are neither a bargain, or not, right? Wouldn't you consider it a bargain if a guy puts up 60-80 points on an ELC? I certainly would. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) By the way Cody Hodgson retired today. Remember this sad story as you pound the table for an 8 year contract for anyone. Edited October 4, 2016 by GASabresIUFAN Quote
Weave Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 By the way Cody Hodgson retired today. Remember this sad story as you pound the table to for an 8 year contract for anyone. Wow. retired? Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 http://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/we-hardly-knew-you-cody-former-canucks-first-rounder-to-coach-wee-tennesseans Quote
LGR4GM Posted October 4, 2016 Author Report Posted October 4, 2016 What do we got? 10 days until the season starts, feeling the stress Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 So is Risto a Josi, or a Myers/Bogosian? I don't think anybody truly knows the answer to that... but I do know this. If you give him 8-years, you're pushing all your chips into the middle of the table... pre-flop. If you give him a shorter deal, even a bridge, you're simply calling the big blind to see the flop... and there's no reason you can't still go all-in on the river. I'd say Risto is comparable to suited connectors or a small pocket pair... yes, those are nice starting hands, but you don't go all-in pre-flop unless you're heads up and down to a few big blinds. The Sabres are not at that point yet, they're just warming up their seat at the table... with (hopefully) many hands to play, let them see a few flops and build a nice chip stack before pushing all-in. In my view, we've already seen the flop. That's our fundamental disagreement, in a nutshell. Bargain contracts can come in forms other then just hitting on a developing player with a long-term deal. Mccabe's 3 year bridge deal, ELC's for Jack and Sam are just a couple of other examples of bargain deals. Other type of bargains are signing some vets with tread left on the tire. Building a championship team means paying the right players, developing kids and making smart veteran acquisitions to fill in the holes. Signing the wrong players, but internally and externally, can kill a franchise. Aka Leino, Hodgson, Ehrhoff, and Myers. Are not ELC's dictated by the league as to term and $? So, they are neither a bargain, or not, right? ELCs are certainly one source of bargain contracts, but I don't know why anyone would be more confident in hitting on those (seeing as we're not going to be drafting top-10 anymore unless something goes horribly wrong) than betting on the development we've seen out of Risto in one AHL season and two NHL seasons. Quote
Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 Wouldn't you consider it a bargain if a guy puts up 60-80 points on an ELC? I certainly would. ELCs are certainly one source of bargain contracts, but I don't know why anyone would be more confident in hitting on those (seeing as we're not going to be drafting top-10 anymore unless something goes horribly wrong) than betting on the development we've seen out of Risto in one AHL season and two NHL seasons. I understand your reasoning, but for me a bargain is when I can get something for less than what others would pay in an open and free market. Therefore, since the NHL dictates term and $ for ELCs then they are neither a bargain, nor not a bargain, as every other team would have paid the same for Sam and Eich on their ELCs. Quote
MattPie Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 I understand your reasoning, but for me a bargain is when I can get something for less than what others would pay in an open and free market. Therefore, since the NHL dictates term and $ for ELCs then they are neither a bargain, nor not a bargain, as every other team would have paid the same for Sam and Eich on their ELCs. I think bargain is is shorthand for production per cap-hit kilodollar in the context, not contract vs. market. Quote
pi2000 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 In my view, we've already seen the flop. That's our fundamental disagreement, in a nutshell. Really? Interesting.... < 200 games played for a 21 year-old defenseman is all you need to see? While I like his chances to develop into a top pairing guy, I still think his career could go in any direction Quote
Doohicksie Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 Sabres announce 3yr deal with Rasmus Ristolainen. Quote
sodbuster Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 .Nice. Exactly what I've been waiting for. Quote
beerme1 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 Sabres announce 3yr deal with Rasmus Ristolainen. That's not what I wanted to see at all. I want the long contract and am willing to roll the dice on it rather than get played like a song a 3yr deal. Quote
Doohicksie Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) Sometimes you just gotta roll with it. Edited October 4, 2016 by Doohickie Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 Really? Interesting.... < 200 games played for a 21 year-old defenseman is all you need to see? While I like his chances to develop into a top pairing guy, I still think his career could go in any direction Depends on the defenseman. I've seen what I need to out of Risto to think the upside of a longterm deal outweighs the risk-mitigation of a bridge. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 Bridge deal. Interesting. You didn't click the link, did you? :p Quote
Samson's Flow Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 You didn't click the link, did you? :P You can't fool me, I hover over all links before I click them. I had too many pranksters in my friend group in HS/college. I don't think I can stand another second of meatspin.com :sick: Quote
darksabre Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 You didn't click the link, did you? :p Okay, I guess getting Rick rolled is better than a bridge deal :lol: You can't fool me, I hover over all links before I click them. I had too many pranksters in my friend group in HS/college. I don't think I can stand another second of meatspin.com :sick: Meatspin. Retro. Quote
pi2000 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 Depends on the defenseman. I've seen what I need to out of Risto to think the upside of a longterm deal outweighs the risk-mitigation of a bridge. understood. frankly, i just want this to be over with so we can move on. Quote
WildCard Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 Okay, I guess getting Rick rolled is better than a bridge deal :lol: Meatspin. Retro. Got meat spun. Also got a ton of people with lemonparty.org Do not go there Quote
Doohicksie Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 I felt bad when I posted that, but then the first two responses played into it, so..... sorry, not sorry. Quote
pi2000 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Posted October 4, 2016 Sabres announce 3yr deal with Rasmus Ristolainen. this says otherwise Quote
Hoss Posted October 6, 2016 Report Posted October 6, 2016 John Vogl @BuffNewsVogl "I think it will get done." - Dan Bylsma on Rasmus Ristolainen contract negotiations and defenseman signing by season opener. Quote
WildCard Posted October 6, 2016 Report Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Do RFAs ever sit out regular season games in hockey? Edited October 6, 2016 by WildCard Quote
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