DLDT: Draft Lottery Discussion Thread, 4-30-2016, 8:00pm est

[Eleven]

  On 5/4/2016 at 6:28 PM, That Aud Smell said:

do we differentiate between elite and generational?

 

Dunno.  I'm asking because Sittler is on the very cusp of my hockey memory, and I remember seeming to think he was a big deal.

[That Aud Smell]

  On 5/4/2016 at 6:29 PM, Eleven said:

Dunno.  I'm asking because Sittler is on the very cusp of my hockey memory, and I remember seeming to think he was a big deal.

 

he played around the same time and for about as along as Gilbert, i believe.

 

without looking, i'd guess they had about the same number of goals and that #11 would've had significantly more assists.

 

gilbert = elite. but not generational. 

 

/ducks

[Eleven]

  On 5/4/2016 at 6:42 PM, That Aud Smell said:

he played around the same time and for about as along as Gilbert, i believe.

 

without looking, i'd guess they had about the same number of goals and that #11 would've had significantly more assists.

 

gilbert = elite. but not generational. 

 

/ducks

 

I don't even buy into the term "generational" anymore, so no worries.  When three players in two years are described as "generational," just ten years after another two players in two years are described as "generational," when people used the term to describe Lindros, when Gretzky and Lemieux overlapped for so long, the word just loses meaning.

 

What I'm really hoping for from millbank is a description of how Sittler was viewed at the time.

[That Aud Smell]

Copy that.

 

Fwiw, I think McDavid is the first generational talent since ... Crosby?

 

I never thought of OV in those terms. Nor Pat Kane. Elite talents. Superstars.

 

Other than McDavid, seems like it's Gretzky, Lemieux, and, um, ... maybe Lindros? I'm not sure.

[TrueBlueGED]

Didn't we have a discussion trying to define "generational" before? I believe we ended up concluding it means something better than elite, not literally one player per generation.

[That Aud Smell]

  On 5/4/2016 at 7:11 PM, TrueBlueGED said:

Didn't we have a discussion trying to define "generational" before? I believe we ended up concluding it means something better than elite, not literally one player per generation.

 

Seems right. Not every generation gets a generational player. And it's possible that one generation could have two. Which is sorta goofy. 

 

But, anyway. When I think "generational," I think of, like, a very small handful of players. 

 

Say the word "elite" or "superstar," and there are dozens.

[BagBoy]

  On 5/4/2016 at 6:05 PM, Eleven said:

Was Sittler not considered to be elite?

 

Totally.  He scored 10 points in one game.  He was great in the other games, also.

[Randall Flagg]

I believe Orr, Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, and Sid are generational players. McDavid is a generational prospect but needs to string some years together before I call him a generational player. I call Lindros a generational prospect, but only an elite player.

 

Was Hasek generational?

[TrueBlueGED]

  On 5/4/2016 at 7:16 PM, That Aud Smell said:

Seems right. Not every generation gets a generational player. And it's possible that one generation could have two. Which is sorta goofy. 

 

But, anyway. When I think "generational," I think of, like, a very small handful of players. 

 

Say the word "elite" or "superstar," and there are dozens.

 

Agreed. In any case, I think you have to include Ovechkin. He's led the league in goal scoring 6 of his 11 seasons, including the last 4 in a row. After a cursory glance at hockey reference, it appears the only player to have led the league more frequently is Bobby Hull with 7 times. Hell, only Esposito matches Ovi's 6; even Gretzky only did it 5 times. He's also 5th all-time in goals per game behind Bossy, Denneney, Lemieux, and Dye. Considering the era, that's pretty spectacular.

 

Edit:  I should note, I have no clue how Denneney and Dye are, so as far as my brain is concerned Ovi is 3rd all time in goals per game :lol:

Edited May 4, 2016 by TrueBlueGED

[Eleven]

  On 5/4/2016 at 7:24 PM, Randall Flagg said:

I believe Orr, Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, and Sid are generational players. McDavid is a generational prospect but needs to string some years together before I call him a generational player. I call Lindros a generational prospect, but only an elite player.

 

Was Hasek generational?

 

 

Hasek was the best goalie ever to play in the NHL and maybe the best goalie ever to play hockey (Tretiak is the only one who comes close), so I don't know, supergenerational? Hypergenerational?

[LGR4GM]

  On 5/4/2016 at 7:24 PM, Randall Flagg said:

I believe Orr, Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, and Sid are generational players. McDavid is a generational prospect but needs to string some years together before I call him a generational player. I call Lindros a generational prospect, but only an elite player.

 

Was Hasek generational?

I would say Hasek was because at his position there was no in the ballpark pretty much his entire career. 

[TrueBlueGED]

  On 5/4/2016 at 7:24 PM, Randall Flagg said:

I believe Orr, Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, and Sid are generational players. McDavid is a generational prospect but needs to string some years together before I call him a generational player. I call Lindros a generational prospect, but only an elite player.

 

Was Hasek generational?

 

Yes. Best goaltender of all time.

[Randall Flagg]

Hmmm. I never got to watch Hasek play for the Sabres myself, so I wasn't sure how he compared to Roy and then (just later) Brodeur. Seems pretty clear-cut.

[North Buffalo]

  On 5/4/2016 at 1:43 AM, WildCard said:

Thank you

yeh thats fine just not Millbank

  On 5/4/2016 at 1:49 AM, TrueBlueGED said:

And I'm not attacking him, I'm attacking the Leafs. If he takes it as a personal attack that's his problem.

you guys kinda were easy.

[TrueBlueGED]

  On 5/4/2016 at 7:31 PM, Randall Flagg said:

Hmmm. I never got to watch Hasek play for the Sabres myself, so I wasn't sure how he compared to Roy and then (just later) Brodeur. Seems pretty clear-cut.

 

Roy was closer than Brodeur, but still not really close. Frankly, I don't think Brodeur even belongs in the same sentence.

[North Buffalo]

Hasek could just flat out take over the game even when Sabres were laying an egg he was a brick spectacular wall.

Edited May 4, 2016 by North Buffalo

[North Buffalo]

5 Straight vezinas, 2 back to to back league mvps

[Eleven]

  On 5/4/2016 at 7:56 PM, North Buffalo said:

5 Straight vezinas, 2 back to to back league mvps

 

 

Nope, but 6 in 8 years.  Both interruptions were Capitals.

[WildCard]

  On 5/4/2016 at 7:33 PM, North Buffalo said:

yeh thats fine just not Millbank

what?

[North Buffalo]

 

  On 5/4/2016 at 7:59 PM, Eleven said:

Nope, but 6 in 8 years.  Both interruptions were Capitals.

Sorry was quoting Sabres vid for his wall induction... Stand corected

  On 5/4/2016 at 8:10 PM, WildCard said:

what?

dont make it personal to Millsy

[WildCard]

  On 5/4/2016 at 8:12 PM, North Buffalo said:

dont make it personal to Millsy

What exactly do you believe I did wrong here?

[North Buffalo]

  On 5/3/2016 at 9:22 PM, WildCard said:

Do people do this on other boards? See a huge debate about a rival and then go post good news about the rival? I don't really see the point in it other than antagonizing others

This was unecessary and if you knew Millbank you woudnt have stated the above.

[That Aud Smell]

Generational goalies are another topic?

 

Hassk likely was.

[North Buffalo]

  On 5/4/2016 at 8:26 PM, That Aud Smell said:

Generational goalies are another topic?

Hassk likely was.

And that is the debate do goalies lie in a separate topic and same with Defensemen or all together??? Not sure?

[WildCard]

  On 5/4/2016 at 8:23 PM, North Buffalo said:

This was unecessary and if you knew Millbank you woudnt have stated the above.

I don't think it was out of line. But I'll drop it now as it's already become an issue