GDT: Buffalo @ Montreal, 7:00 pm est, 2-3-2016

[MattPie]

Exactly, if she were a feminist she would have had on loose clothing, completely covering her legs and chest, and would have been earning her tips solely on her ability to converse. Even Shelby is saying to qwk, man you're laying it on kinda thick.

 

Say what you want about the cliche, but nowhere did I imply that feminists are man-hating frumps. In fact it never entered my train of thought. Feminists are about more than just equality. Please don't argue my point based on a cliche, argue my point based on what I actually said. 

 

Do you deny feminists are against sexual objectification?

I'm you'll weasel your way out by saying how you didn't say anything about being man-hating, and how I'm reading something into it.

[WildCard]

No Hoss in here?

[JJFIVEOH]

 

 

I'm you'll weasel your way out by saying how you didn't say anything about being man-hating, and how I'm reading something into it.

 

Just address what I actually said, and not what you wanted me to say, and we'll be OK.  ;)

[K-9]

I suggested that Shelby knew damn well why she was wearing those clothes.

 

Why she wears any particular clothing is beside the point to feminists. That was the only aspect of your post I was responding to. I don't want to get bogged down in your "she was asking for it" mentality. It is simply not germane to the issue.

And yet, the Free the Nipple movement is a feminist movement.......

 

Feminists.  going braless and shirtless.  In public.  And we're assuming a bartender wearing shorts and a plunging neckline isn't one.

Precisely. According to feminist ideology, the clothing a women wears or whether she wears anything at all, should not make her eligible for objectification.

[JJFIVEOH]

Why she wears any particular clothing is beside the point to feminists. That was the only aspect of your post I was responding to. I don't want to get bogged down in your "she was asking for it" mentality. It is simply not germane to the issue.

 

Precisely. According to feminist ideology, the clothing a women wears or whether she wears anything at all, should not make her eligible for objectification.

 

It's exactly the point to feminists. If you asked 10 women  in the business if they dress provocatively to earn more tips, I'd bet this week's salary that 9 out of 10 would say yes. Which is the antithesis of feminism. Qwk pretty much told me that my opinion doesn't matter, I'm ignorant and that I shouldn't post any more (and had nothing to back it up).  This is the major key to my point because he claims to be speaking for feminism when in actuality it's probably the last thing on their minds. As much as he might want to think we're having some kind of 1980's style feminist revolution, he's speaking for the minority. 

 

And I never said "she had it coming". Please don't put words in my mouth. Saying she dresses to look good isn't the same as "she had it coming". Not sure what is worse, men that actually think that way, or the ones that keep painting everybody with a broad brush just because they don't fall in line with your beliefs. 

Edited February 5, 2016 by JJFIVEOH

[Weave]

Regarding shootout choices......

 

http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres-Bylsma-explains-shootout-decisions/22444251
 

 

Ryan O’Reilly, Brian Gionta and Evander Kane all missed on Tuukka Rask. Bylsma said, “As a coach I feel like I have to come up with some better answers for that. Brian Gionta was the only guy with experience against Rask, he’s 1-for-1, so you go with what you think is a hot hand. Evander was shooting the lights out of it yesterday, so you go with the hot hand.”
 
We’ve gone I think 11 in a row that we haven’t scored a shootout goal and you’re not winning any shootouts that way. We try to put guys in situations in practice with a little bit or pressure and competition, but that hasn’t come through for us in a game yet.”

 

[K-9]

It's exactly the point to feminists. If you asked 10 women  in the business if they dress provocatively to eat n more tips, I'd bet this week's salary that 9 out of 10 would say yes. Which is the antithesis of feminism. Qwk pretty much told me that my opinion doesn't matter, I'm ignorant and that I shouldn't post any more (and had nothing to back it up).  This is the major key to my point because he claims to be speaking for feminism when in actuality it's probably the last thing on their minds. As much as he might want to think we're having some kind of 1980's style feminist revolution, he's speaking for the minority. 

 

And I never said "she had it coming". Please don't put words in my mouth. Saying she dresses to look good isn't the same as "she had it coming". Not sure what is worse, men that actually think that way, or the ones that keep painting everybody with a broad brush just because they don't fall in line with your beliefs.

 

The " ask for it" mentality applies because the implication is that if Shelby were wearing different clothes (as you suggested in a previous post), she wouldn't be the subject of salacious photos snapped by a patron and posted on the web.

 

Feminists believe clothing shouldn't matter at all, regardless. That was the only point I was arguing. I will leave it up to you and others to argue the rest of it.

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K-9, on 05 Feb 2016 - 6:29 PM, said:

 

Feminists believe clothing shouldn't matter at all, regardless.

 

If that's accurate, then that should tell you quite a lot about the feministas.

[Doohicksie]

Feminists are ok with the way Shelby was attired as long as the person acting as her supervisor/owner wasn't mandating she wear said attire.

 

Well, what she was wearing was pretty uniform of the servers there.... :unsure:

[qwksndmonster]

If that's accurate, then that should tell you quite a lot about the feministas.

Brazen pride, so much that it leads to actively demonstrating ignorance. Making sweeping generalizations about feminism with a clear fundamental misunderstanding of the subject. Nice.

[inkman]

Well, what she was wearing was pretty uniform of the servers there.... :unsure:

I'd like to have a conversation with the lot about perpetuating the objectification of women through stereotypical employment practices.

[JJFIVEOH]

This could get interesting. Wish it was its own thread.

[WildCard]

This could get interesting. Wish it was its own thread.

By all means, make one. It's pretty evident that this is a one sided conversation though

[JJFIVEOH]

If it were one-sided, it wouldn't have generated so much discussion; considering most of the board doesn't even know it exists.

[WildCard]

The usual posters who think differently than you in this matter have made it clear, either bu lack of posting or vocally saying such, that they have no desire to discuss this.

[JJFIVEOH]

If you say so. I wasn't the one that brought up a similar discussion topic in the post before mine. But, suit yourself.

This board becomes more and more incapable of holding a civilized discussion with each passing day.

[WildCard]

I don't think it has anything to do with civilized discussion but rather the realization that there are strong opinions about it, and it's fairly obvious the parties involved aren't going to change their mind. We went over this whole thing in the Kane thread, all summer

I'd like to have a conversation with the lot about perpetuating the objectification of women through stereotypical employment practices.

And it's a good discussion to have. I just don't think it will last. I very well could be wrong, and if the thread flourishes, I'll be happy and eat my words

[GrassValleyGreg]

Oh for Christ's sake................ I missed all this, are we really butthurt about taking pictures of a bartender and posting them on the site? I'm offended that somebody took offense to this.

This country has become softer than a sponge.

A wet sponge, not one that got hard after it dried up.

 

Coming in late and it was probably said (I hope) but stopped reviewing at this point out of anger.  

 

The continuous posting of pics of an unsuspecting woman is beyond indefensible. It has nothing to do with a soft culture. My God man. Have some sense of decency.  When someone says  "this country has become softer than a...", take a look and you'll probably see a white male in a rapidly changing world.

 

Update: the discussion of feminism that followed was comical. Thank you qwk and K-9 for providing the only substance in critical thought.

Edited February 6, 2016 by GrassValleyGreg

[JJFIVEOH]

Coming in late and it was probably said (I hope) but stopped reviewing at this point out of anger.  

 

The continuous posting of pics of an unsuspecting woman is beyond indefensible. It has nothing to do with a soft culture. My God man. Have some sense of decency.  When someone says  "this country has become softer than a...", take a look and you'll probably see a white male in a rapidly changing world.

 

Update: the discussion of feminism that followed was comical. Thank you qwk and K-9 for providing the only substance in critical thought.

 

Too bad you couldn't provide any of your own.

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JJFIVEOH, on 06 Feb 2016 - 01:33 AM, said:

Too bad you couldn't provide any of your own.

 

Same as it ever was.

 

[GrassValleyGreg]

Too bad you couldn't provide any of your own.

 

Haha, not going to have a discussion about feminism with a guy who claimed the country is changing because people were offended by hidden camera pics of an unknowing woman at a bar.  We'll just stick to hockey k?

[Stoner]

Regarding shootout choices......

 

http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres-Bylsma-explains-shootout-decisions/22444251

 

Oh jeez. Gionta being 1-1 against Rask makes him a hot hand? Methinks DBDB is a wee bit too analytical for his own good. Coaching is more an art than a science. Going by practice results is pretty weak sauce too. Who is clutch? ROR can be defended. Gionta and Kane not so much. Reinhart-ROR-Eichel maybe.

[qwksndmonster]

Yeah that 1 shootout attempt sample size against Rask is great analytical thinking there. Reinhart and Eichel are 0 for 0, combined for 0 goals! #fancy

[JJFIVEOH]

Haha, not going to have a discussion about feminism with a guy who claimed the country is changing because people were offended by hidden camera pics of an unknowing woman at a bar.  We'll just stick to hockey k?

 

Ah, I see. You want to come in and offer your opinion of me, and then cut off the conversation. Gotcha.

[hockeyhound]

Let's Go Buffalo!

Great Start! :thumbsup: