2016-'17 Lineup

[Doohicksie]

eliteprospects has weber in st. louis

 

on a PTO.

[GASabresIUFAN]

Interesting comment from Pierre Maquire right after Nick's goal. He said the Sabres are going to play Fasching, Nick and Larsson as a regular line this coming season.

 

If true this means a great deal about our team for this season.

1) We probably will be carrying 14 forwards, with Grant and Fasching making the team.

2) if Fasching Larsson and Deslauriers is one of the bottom 2 lines, what is other; Foligno Girgensons Gionta or Moulson Girgensons Gionta?

3) Is Foligno on the trading block?

4) Will Nylander get a 9 game tryout? Not likely if both Grant and Fasching make the team.

[Randall Flagg]

Interesting comment from Pierre Maquire right after Nick's goal. He said the Sabres are going to play Fasching, Nick and Larsson as a regular line this coming season.

 

If true this means a great deal about our team for this season.

1) We probably will be carrying 14 forwards, with Grant and Fasching making the team.

2) if Fasching Larsson and Deslauriers is one of the bottom 2 lines, what is other; Foligno Girgensons Gionta or Moulson Girgensons Gionta?

3) Is Foligno on the trading block?

4) Will Nylander get a 9 game tryout? Not likely if both Grant and Fasching make the team.

I wouldn't really think much about what Pierre says regarding stuff like that.

[Doohicksie]

I think no matter who makes the team, the result is going to be several hungry and talented players in Rochester.

[shrader]

Interesting comment from Pierre Maquire right after Nick's goal. He said the Sabres are going to play Fasching, Nick and Larsson as a regular line this coming season.

 

If true this means a great deal about our team for this season.

1) We probably will be carrying 14 forwards, with Grant and Fasching making the team.

2) if Fasching Larsson and Deslauriers is one of the bottom 2 lines, what is other; Foligno Girgensons Gionta or Moulson Girgensons Gionta?

3) Is Foligno on the trading block?

4) Will Nylander get a 9 game tryout? Not likely if both Grant and Fasching make the team.

 

#4 seems pretty clear to me.  If they do want to give Nylander his shot, Fasching starts the year in the AHL.  It's easy enough to then swap them out in a couple weeks if needed and doesn't cause much of a disruption.

[3putt]

I still think the plan for Nylander is to give him as much exposure to the NHL game in preseason, craft a development plan of things to work on, send him to the A to work with bigger faster comp than he is used, loan him to Sweden for WJC a la Risto and see if he makes enough improvement for a stretch call up.  There is less urgency with Alex which is nice.

[Thorner]

Interesting comment from Pierre Maquire right after Nick's goal. He said the Sabres are going to play Fasching, Nick and Larsson as a regular line this coming season.

If true this means a great deal about our team for this season.

1) We probably will be carrying 14 forwards, with Grant and Fasching making the team.

2) if Fasching Larsson and Deslauriers is one of the bottom 2 lines, what is other; Foligno Girgensons Gionta or Moulson Girgensons Gionta?

3) Is Foligno on the trading block?

4) Will Nylander get a 9 game tryout? Not likely if both Grant and Fasching make the team.

My guess if Fasching makes it, is:

 

Foligno - Larsson - Gionta

Moulson - Girgensons - Fasching

 

With Deslauriers and possibly Grant on the bench.

[dudacek]

Foligno - Larsson - Gionta

Moulson - Girgensons - Fasching

 

If Fasching continues to play the way he has in camp and Moulson and Girgs play like the versions from tank 2.0 those are a pair of good third lines and advantage Buffalo over many team's bottom sixes.

 

Never works out that way, but it's nice to have a semblance of depth again.

[Hoss]

I think that looks like a pretty mediocre bottom six.

[WildCard]

I think that looks like a pretty mediocre bottom six.

Yup. Hopefully Fasching and Girgs can replace Foligno and Gionta next year

[Taro T]

Yup. Hopefully Fasching and Girgs can replace Foligno and Gionta next year sometime soon THIS year. /quote]

 

FTFY.

 

& I'd like to see 1 of those 2 w/ Eichel rather than Kane & Kane on Larsson's line ideally.

[Thorner]

Yup. Hopefully Fasching and Girgs can replace Foligno and Gionta next year

The bottom six posted includes the possibility of that happening this year. I don't see why it's necessarily a mediocre bottom 6. If Fasching and Girgs are good this year, switch the 2 lines I listed around - potentially a good 3rd line (depending on Moulson), and wouldn't Foligno - Larsson - Gionta be a solid 4th?

 

If Moulson sucks, what about:

 

Girgensons - Larsson - Fasching

Foligno - Grant - Gionta

 

To me, that's anything but a mediocre bottom 6. It's not Hagelin - Bonino - Kessel, but most teams don't have quality approaching that on line 3.

Edited October 8, 2016 by Thorny

[TrueBlueGED]

Has Girgensons played a single shift this preseason at wing? I think the clearly defined role they have devised for him is at center.

[bob_sauve28]

I still think the plan for Nylander is to give him as much exposure to the NHL game in preseason, craft a development plan of things to work on, send him to the A to work with bigger faster comp than he is used, loan him to Sweden for WJC a la Risto and see if he makes enough improvement for a stretch call up.  There is less urgency with Alex which is nice.

that would be cool, putting him in Rochester and calling him up mid season for his nine games. He'd have a better chance of sticking the rest of the way, IMO

[rakish]

I may have this wrong, but I think the '9 game' thing is nonsense. The 9 games has to do with the ELC sliding. If he's in Rochester, he's a professional, so his ELC doesn't slide. If he's going back to junior, he plays 9 games, his ELC slides. It is often the first 9 games, since if you are sent to junior, you can't come back (without notes from your doctor)

 

The critical number for Nylander is 40. If he's on the roster for 40 games, he will UFA at age 25 or 26, instead of age 27, which will save the team a lot of money in 7 years.

[LGR4GM]

I think it does slide because of his age. It can slide 1 year. Anyone know?

[Sabel79]

Article 9.1(d)(i) of the CBA states that if an 18-19 year old player signs an ELC (Entry-Level Contract) and does not play 10 NHL games in the first year of the contract, the ELC is extended by one year. 

[rakish]

In the AHL? really? interesting, because he is getting paid through his contract, I though the reason it slid in junior was because he wasn't getting paid

Edited October 8, 2016 by rakish

[Sabel79]

In the AHL? really? interesting, because he is getting paid through his contract, I though the reason it slid in junior was because he wasn't getting paid

Nope. It explicitly states that salary, bonuses, and so on are all extended on the same terms. 

 

I think it's the fact that most 18 year-olds aren't AHL eligible that's throwing you. 

[Hoss]

Has Girgensons played a single shift this preseason at wing? I think the clearly defined role they have devised for him is at center.

Correct. There was an article about him finding himself at centre again.

[qwksndmonster]

Hasn't Larsson also been exclusively at center?

 

Please let Hot Daniel roll four lines.

[dudacek]

Please let Hot Daniel roll four lines.

For the first time in years, this actually might be an idea worth considering.

I think Girgensons, Gionta, Foligno, Larsson are good bottom six players.

 

If Grant, Fasching and/or Moulson can also be effective, it could work, particularly if you spread Kane, Ennis and Eichel out on different lines.

[rakish]

Nope. It explicitly states that salary, bonuses, and so on are all extended on the same terms. 

 

I think it's the fact that most 18 year-olds aren't AHL eligible that's throwing you. 

 

Let's take 2 examples. Let's first look at Gorgio Estephan, if he has a contract (I'm too lazy to look), it says something like he gets 900g if he plays in Buffalo, 80gs if he plays in Rochester, and Lethbridge pays him if he plays in the WHL, I believe that number is 500/wk. This year he plays in Lethbridge, so his contract slides.

 

Our second example is Nylander. He has a contract that pays him 900g (probably more, but we're just talking here, not writing a legal memo) if he plays in Buffalo, and 80g if he plays in Rochester. As I understand it, he's going to play this year in Rochester, as such, he fulfills a year of his contract. Nylander's year in fundamentally different than Estephan's year, one is fulfilling a year of his contract, one isn't, yet both contracts slide.

 

What the CBA is doing is making Nylander fulfill 4 (or 5) years of his ECL. This could easily cost Nylander millions of dollars. If you are the arbitrator of this argument in 3 years  (The Nylander people won't mention it now, because Murray would send him to Lethbridge pronto), might you consider Nylander having a viable argument?

[Sabel79]

Let's take 2 examples. Let's first look at Gorgio Estephan, if he has a contract (I'm too lazy to look), it says something like he gets 900g if he plays in Buffalo, 80gs if he plays in Rochester, and Lethbridge pays him if he plays in the WHL, I believe that number is 500/wk. This year he plays in Lethbridge, so his contract slides.

 

Our second example is Nylander. He has a contract that pays him 900g (probably more, but we're just talking here, not writing a legal memo) if he plays in Buffalo, and 80g if he plays in Rochester. As I understand it, he's going to play this year in Rochester, as such, he fulfills a year of his contract. Nylander's year in fundamentally different than Estephan's year, one is fulfilling a year of his contract, one isn't, yet both contracts slide.

 

What the CBA is doing is making Nylander fulfill 4 (or 5) years of his ECL. This could easily cost Nylander millions of dollars. If you are the arbitrator of this argument in 3 years  (The Nylander people won't mention it now, because Murray would send him to Lethbridge pronto), might you consider Nylander having a viable argument?

There is no fundamental difference under the CBA regarding NHL service in either case. Play 10 games in the NHL or don't. 

 

Estephan probably has the better argument about it costing him money, what with the sweetheart slave labor deal the junior leagues get.  Nylander gets to play in the AHL, Estephan does not. 

[GASabresIUFAN]

After the Ottawa pre-season game it looks like the Kane Eichel Reinhart line is locked in.  To bad none of the others are.