2016-'17 Lineup

[thewookie1]

Yes. And he's certainly worth a boatload more than moving up six spots in the draft and Ennis.

 

It's also about what Colorado needs or wants to do. They likely don't value the 5th pick much with where they're at and what they're looking for. Trades are so much more than the value of assets.

 

I would disagree, and here's why.

 

Supposedly the Avs ownership doesn't want to pay a lot of money in contracts. They are also supposedly going to retool if they miss the playoffs.

 

If we retain 600k on Ennis he becomes a 4 x 4mil 45pt + guy while the 6 spots move up is important because the 5th overall may very well be able to play in the NHL next year while a 11th overall is highly unlikely too.

 

So I guess it'd be more even at 5 + Ennis(about 13%) for Landeskog + 11  Avs would save 1.5mil and get a better prospect. Though it only makes sense if the Avs owners are truly really frugal. 

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Bravo, TBPhD. That was a thought-provoking post. At the very least, it puts some reasoning behind my "meh" reaction to the idea of blowing our wad on Stamkos.

 

I think Pysyk is probably the odd man out on the blue line this summer. I don't see how, especially after reading that, Murray wouldn't want another stud D-man. Although I think McCabe could evolve into a second pairing guy on a playoff team if he can clean up the brain farts.

 

I don't think Bogo is going anywhere. He does provide the nasty that Murray likes and has some offensive skill. He's also pretty young and, perhaps most importantly, on a lengthy somewhat expensive contract. If he can clean up his D game, I don't know if it would hurt to keep him, although, and I get the impression this might be your main concern with Bogo as well, I have doubts about what he can contribute to a playoff team.

 

I do like the idea of adding depth on the forward ranks, because that is definitely what the team needs. If your depth means your fourth line consists of Larrson, Foligno and D-Lo, then you're in a much better position to win games.

Edited March 10, 2016 by SiZzlEmeIsTEr

[spndnchz]

Nerds.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Nerds.

 

[Hoss]

I would disagree, and here's why.

 

Supposedly the Avs ownership doesn't want to pay a lot of money in contracts. They are also supposedly going to retool if they miss the playoffs.

 

If we retain 600k on Ennis he becomes a 4 x 4mil 45pt + guy while the 6 spots move up is important because the 5th overall may very well be able to play in the NHL next year while a 11th overall is highly unlikely too.

 

So I guess it'd be more even at 5 + Ennis(about 13%) for Landeskog + 11 Avs would save 1.5mil and get a better prospect. Though it only makes sense if the Avs owners are truly really frugal.

You don't get great players by moving down in the draft and tossing them a broken winger.

[Randall Flagg]

I would disagree, and here's why.

 

Supposedly the Avs ownership doesn't want to pay a lot of money in contracts. They are also supposedly going to retool if they miss the playoffs.

 

If we retain 600k on Ennis he becomes a 4 x 4mil 45pt + guy while the 6 spots move up is important because the 5th overall may very well be able to play in the NHL next year while a 11th overall is highly unlikely too.

 

So I guess it'd be more even at 5 + Ennis(about 13%) for Landeskog + 11 Avs would save 1.5mil and get a better prospect. Though it only makes sense if the Avs owners are truly really frugal.

The Avs owners already lost Stastny and O'Reilly, they're not also going to dump their captain. Especially not for a pick that will likely not be as good as Landeskog is.

[thewookie1]

The Avs owners already lost Stastny and O'Reilly, they're not also going to dump their captain. Especially not for a pick that will likely not be as good as Landeskog is.

I'd guess Tachuck would be about equal to Landeskog in theory. But I understand your point, however trading a captain tends to create a shake up. Another thought is they would use 5 to grab Cyckryen they'd be acquiring their other high end Dman and Ennis is 15pts less than Landeskog. So maybe.... :)

 

Landeskog for Lindholm? Not Buffalo related but curious

[Randall Flagg]

I'd guess Tachuck would be about equal to Landeskog in theory. But I understand your point, however trading a captain tends to create a shake up. Another thought is they would use 5 to grab Cyckryen they'd be acquiring their other high end Dman and Ennis is 15pts less than Landeskog. So maybe.... :)

 

Landeskog for Lindholm? Not Buffalo related but curious

That seems closer to value, yeah, and actually makes loads of sense for both teams.

[WildCard]

The article posted somewhere else detailed the Avs would dump one if Duchene or Landeskog should they fail to miss the playoffs

[TrueBlueGED]

Never forget: the Avs are run by morons.

[WildCard]

Never forget: the Avs are run by morons.

I can't wait for the day they extend Roy

[pi2000]

Never forget: the Avs are run by morons.

 

I'm still holding out hope for Tyson Barrie.   

[Hoss]

The article posted somewhere else detailed the Avs would dump one if Duchene or Landeskog should they fail to miss the playoffs

"Dump" isn't the right term here. They're not going to dump either. They may trade them, but it's not going to be for nothing.

[WildCard]

"Dump" isn't the right term here. They're not going to dump either. They may trade them, but it's not going to be for nothing.

Come on, Hoss, you know what I meant

[Hoss]

Come on, Hoss, you know what I meant

I honestly didn't because it seemed like your post was supporting Wookie's trade proposal (which would be a dump).

[WildCard]

I honestly didn't because it seemed like your post was supporting Wookie's trade proposal (which would be a dump).

Fair enough. I don't think that trade gets it done, but I do think both ate available, and the Avs will be willing to move them for slightly less than they're worth. For me, Kane, Foligno, and #5 gets me Landeskog, though I wouldn't do that trade. Edited March 10, 2016 by WildCard

[Huckleberry]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-16-nhl-ufas-unrestricted-free-agents-2016-steven-stamkos-anze-kopitar-dustin-byfuglien-andrew-ladd-staal-okposo-vrbata/

 

Next years top UFA class.

 

Forwards I hope Murray takes a shot at.

1. Stamkos pretty much a no brainer, but I walk away if he asks more than 11 mill.  (doubt it happens but Murray has dealt  with his agent Meehan a lot lately)

2. Okposo Would be awesome on Eichels wing, walk away at more 6 mill.

3. Eriksson I'd sign him for 5 years at 4.5 mill.

4. Lucic here we are , hit rock bottom on this one, Don't actually want him here but we could use him.

5. Boedker not the biggest fan of him, would give a boost to our PP but to get him only for that ...

6. Brouwer, pretty much the cheaper McGinn option.   Walk away if he asks more then 3x4 mill.

7. McGinn doubt we'll see him back, rumours are he asked for 5 mill a year, Murray offered 4 mill.   let him walk away, maybe if he isn't signed after 3 weeks into free agency and his price comes down.

8. Vrbata and Hudler these two while we need RW, I'd rather go with youth, they have up and down seasons to much, to risky to put your money here.

 

Defense

1. Campbell, 2 year contract to play next to Risto.  Doubt he leaves florida, but if they can't get it done I think we are a nice option.

2. Yandle another one with Meehan as agent , I walk away if he wants 7 mill though, he is not worth that.

3. Goligoski what I like about him is he strengthens our 5 on 5 play.

4. Russel Could be wrong but I feel this one is a bit overrated.

5. Training camp invitee Erhoff but since murray doesn't believe in that :P

6. Bartkowski I liked him in Boston 2 years ago, fallen off the cliff a bit and probably not worth it.

 

The ones in bold would be nice, wouldn't hurt our future cap and are nice solid additions.   But if you can sign Stamkos you run to the border and start mooning Toronto.

Edited March 10, 2016 by Huckleberry

[LGR4GM]

I walk away from Stamkos if he wants more than 9.5mil X6 year.  Whatever the max is is what he will demand and he is not worth it. There's a good chance that 11mil is the max a contract could be so saying you would walk away at 11mil + means almost nothing because depending on the cap increase you couldn't even pay more than that.

Edited March 10, 2016 by LGR4GM

[Hoss]

I walk away from Stamkos if he wants more than 9.5mil X6 year. Whatever the max is is what he will demand and he is not worth it. There's a good chance that 11mil is the max a contract could be so saying you would walk away at 11mil + means almost nothing because depending on the cap increase you couldn't even pay more than that.

The current max is $14.28 million...

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Goodness, the only forward who might make sense is Lucic, but not for $6 mil.

 

I like Okposo's cap hit, I don't know his game, though, so can't say anything about that.  But if he's a 50 point guy regularly, a real winger, and comes in at $3.5 mil AAV, he can't be all bad.

 

Yandle is a left-handed D with point production.  I think he has to be the primary UFA target.

Edited March 10, 2016 by SiZzlEmeIsTEr

[LGR4GM]

The current max is $14.28 million...

okay so they did leave it at 20% in the new cba.

[Hoss]

Goodness, the only forward who might make sense is Lucic, but not for $6 mil.

 

I like Okposo's cap hit, I don't know his game, though, so can't say anything about that. But if he's a 50 point guy regularly, a real winger, and comes in at $3.5 mil AAV, he can't be all bad.

 

Yandle is a left-handed D with point production. I think he has to be the primary UFA target.

Okposo at $3.5mill? I don't think that's even a realistic or fair number for him five years ago. He is definitely worth much more.

He'll get above $5mill and he'll be worth every penny.

okay so they did leave it at 20% in the new cba.

They did. I don't know that we'll ever see a max contract because situations like Stamkos are so rare.

[LGR4GM]

I could see the Leafs trying this off-season. Going to Stamkos and saying we will give you 13 or 14mil x7 years.

[WildCard]

I could see the Leafs trying this off-season. Going to Stamkos and saying we will give you 13 or 14mil x7 years.

They're definitely going to. That, or the other thing I keep hearing is wait for Tavares' contract to end and offer him a max deal.

 

Of course, most of this only applies if they don't win Matthews.

Edited March 10, 2016 by WildCard

[Hoss]

I don't think anybody is going to offer that out front... If they feel Stamkos may sign elsewhere and need to up their offer I'm sure they'll consider it.