Eleven Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Too many going on for the Around the League thread. Let's post and discuss in here, maybe until about a week before the deadline, at which time we'll open a deadline thread?
LGR4GM Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 So who's worth more in 3 years, Johanson or Jones?
Hoss Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 So who's worth more in 3 years, Johanson or Jones? Joneshansen.
WildCard Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 So who's worth more in 3 years, Johanson or Jones? Joneshansen. Center > defensemen, even if it was Josi for Johansen
Hoss Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Center > defensemen, even if it was Josi for Johansen Nope. Not getting that far. But I agree Johansen > Jones.
nfreeman Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Center > defensemen, even if it was Josi for Johansen Nope. Not getting that far. But I agree Johansen > Jones. On paper/screen, yes. But sometimes guys can really have poop for brains and/or bad attitudes, and their talent doesn't outweigh the baggage. I have no idea whether this is the case with Johansen, but it might be.
pi2000 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 So who's worth more in 3 years, Johanson or Jones? Is there some rule that says they both can't be successful franchise players? IMO they're both going to be perennial all-stars.
LGR4GM Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 Is there some rule that says they both can't be successful franchise players? IMO they're both going to be perennial all-stars. Didn't say they couldn't both be successful though, I asked who will be worth more.
mjd1001 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Posted January 7, 2016 I'm going to disagree on who is going to be better, at least with the opinion so far. I think long run, Jones will be a more valuable player. Is that a guarantee? of course not. But, Jones is only 21 and already very good. He has the tools to be great, or elite (Norris trophy caliber). Odds say he is going to get better, and there is a chance he can be a guy that can have an impact on the game at a Doughty/Keith/Weber/Hedman level. I'm not saying it is happening for sure, but if you made me bet, I'd say Jones will be in that class rather than not be there in a few years. As far as Johanson...could HE be elite? Sure, but I think there is less of a chance of it. He's played in the NHL (at least partial seasons) now for 5 years..and has one 30 goal year. Last year was 26..so that is good, not elite. Overall, I think Jones, even as a D-man, has a much better chance of being a game-changing player (25+ minute, shut down #1) over Johnason (20-30 a year goal guy, not exactly captain material).
dudacek Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 Johansen has never been told he is anything less than special his entire life. And no affluenza sufferer can ever co-exist with Torts. But his downside is underachieving first liner. Jones has franchise upside but he might still peak at puck moving 2nd pair guy. Nashville trading from a position of strength but is taking a bigger risk. Very interesting trade.
Hoss Posted January 8, 2016 Report Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie Etem to VAN is being done. Nick Jensen and late pick going the other way. Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie I believe the pick is 2017 7th rounder but that's not 100 per cent. Edited January 8, 2016 by Hoss
Hoss Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Elliotte FriedmanVerified account@FriedgeHNIC MON/ARIZ working on a deal. Reports out of Quebec Indicate Tinordi involved. Craig Custance @CraigCustance Told John Scott is in deal to Montreal for Jarred Tinordi. Edited January 15, 2016 by Hoss
WildCard Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 Elliotte FriedmanVerified account@FriedgeHNIC MON/ARIZ working on a deal. Reports out of Quebec Indicate Tinordi involved. Craig Custance @CraigCustance Told John Scott is in deal to Montreal for Jarred Tinordi. ...why? I'm confused by this deal
Hoss Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie ARI-MTL trade call is in works. Tinordi to ARI and return expected to be John Scott and Stefan Elliott.
WildCard Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Nothing screams offense like John Scott. Hopefully he'll be dropped from the ASG and gets to fight the Laughs one more time Edited January 15, 2016 by WildCard
Hoss Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie Doesn't sound like Stefan Elliott will be in MTL long. Flipped already?
Randall Flagg Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 Wait, so does Scott still captain the Pacific division 3 on 3 team or whatever, now that he's a Canadien?
Iron Crotch Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 I'm going to disagree on who is going to be better, at least with the opinion so far. I think long run, Jones will be a more valuable player. Is that a guarantee? of course not. But, Jones is only 21 and already very good. He has the tools to be great, or elite (Norris trophy caliber). Odds say he is going to get better, and there is a chance he can be a guy that can have an impact on the game at a Doughty/Keith/Weber/Hedman level. I'm not saying it is happening for sure, but if you made me bet, I'd say Jones will be in that class rather than not be there in a few years. As far as Johanson...could HE be elite? Sure, but I think there is less of a chance of it. He's played in the NHL (at least partial seasons) now for 5 years..and has one 30 goal year. Last year was 26..so that is good, not elite. Overall, I think Jones, even as a D-man, has a much better chance of being a game-changing player (25+ minute, shut down #1) over Johnason (20-30 a year goal guy, not exactly captain material). Not aimed at you, but I think folks don't realize just how much scoring has come down over the last decade or so. Only 15 players scored 30 goals or more last year. Only 3 scored more than 40 goals. Johansen was 16th in the NHL in scoring last year at age 22. He was 34th the year before at age 21 (scored 33 goals). In my book, that is "elite" already, or pretty close. Columbus kept benching him so his ice time dipped there this season, but he has 6 points in his first 4 games with the Preds so far. He and James Neal look deadly as linemates.
shrader Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 Wait, so does Scott still captain the Pacific division 3 on 3 team or whatever, now that he's a Canadien? The Atlantic division will now have 4 skaters on the ice. Scott has to stay out there for the entire game.
Randall Flagg Posted January 15, 2016 Report Posted January 15, 2016 The Atlantic division will now have 4 skaters on the ice. Scott has to stay out there for the entire game.That would be a disaster that I wouldn't be able to take my eyes off of :lol:
Brawndo Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 ANA trades Carl Hagelin to PIT for David Perron and Adam Clendening.
Hoss Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 ANA trades Carl Hagelin to PIT for David Perron and Adam Clendening. Yeap: Anaheim Ducks @AnaheimDucks OFFICIAL: #NHLDucks acquire David Perron, Adam Clendening from Pittsburgh for Carl Hagelin: bit.ly/PerronClendeni… pic.twitter.com/peSUEfZyOk That's a bit of a surprise, but Pittsburgh needed to shake things up. I guess Anaheim did, too.
inkman Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) ANA trades Carl Hagelin to PIT for David Perron and Adam Clendening. I thought Perron had more value than that. Edited January 16, 2016 by inkman
Hoss Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 I thought Perron had more value than that. He's a UFA at the end of the year vs Hagelin who is under control for three more at $4M. Both have disappointed with their new teams.
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