Tank 3.0

[pi2000]

I'm not talking about a lottery. And injuries are a part of this sport , always have been and always will play a part in a teams performance or lack thereof. The cap is supposed to help small markets compete and hold the large markets in check anyways ( some would argue whether it actually works ) so rewarding the best team of the worst 5 would actually go a long way towards changing this culture of rewarding teams that want to lose.

 

All that would do is encourage teams in positions 6,7,8,9 to tank down to 5.

 

If the lottery must stick, the odds should be a function of the teams' performance over the previous 3-4 seasons and how many times you've won the 1st overall pick during that same time.    So if you're a team like BUF, lets say they finish 24th, considering 2 consecutive last place finishes + a 24th place finish, combined with no lottery wins during that time, they should have better odds at the #1 pick than the 24th place team would normally have.    Likewise, if you're EDM, yes you suck and have been a bottom feeder forever, but the fact you won the lottery a bunch of times means your odds are reduced from what the 30th overall team would normally have.

 

Using multi-seasonal standings would prevent teams from tanking in any single season.

[That Aud Smell]

All that would do is encourage teams in positions 6,7,8,9 to tank down to 5.

 

If the lottery must stick, the odds should be a function of the teams' performance over the previous 3-4 seasons and how many times you've won the 1st overall pick during that same time.    So if you're a team like BUF, lets say they finish 24th, considering 2 consecutive last place finishes + a 24th place finish, combined with no lottery wins during that time, they should have better odds at the #1 pick than the 24th place team would normally have.    Likewise, if you're EDM, yes you suck and have been a bottom feeder forever, but the fact you won the lottery a bunch of times means your odds are reduced from what the 30th overall team would normally have.

 

Using multi-seasonal standings would prevent teams from tanking in any single season.

 

I like these ideas.

[3putt]

So, the international futbol model, in essence. It fascinates me no end that "socialist" Europe has a much more free market approach to pro sports than America does. 

 

There are many reasons that I think the American leagues will never go this route. For starters, there's that whole complicated tiering system over in Europe where a club can be successful and beloved even though it doesn't play in the top flight league (Leeds United, Queens Park Rangers).

 

In addition to which: The truly free market approach seems to undermine or even eliminate parity among clubs (e.g., there's great quality at the top of most European leagues, but after the top, top teams, you're getting more of a hound's breakfast). The free market approach also seems to result in clubs folding when they become illiquid after trying and failing to spend to keep up with teams they're trying to catch.

 

Any reason to think an American pro league could eliminate the draft but, say, keep a salary cap structure? Even in that event, I still think you'd end up with teams in the most desirable locations getting the best talent.

I am not advocating, simply pointing out that to eliminate what is perceived as an ill would require killing the patient.  I see nothing wrong with starting over.  Clean house.  And rebuild.  I think that the lottery system is idiotic.  I am however old school.  I don't believe you can have a draft system, which creates an incentive to position your organization to gain top talent you would otherwise not get, and then complain when those organizations play the system to max advantage. Dfl should pick first.

[kas23]

Agreed. Plus, without the lottery, Edmonton wouldn't have won it 4 times. So, you know, that whole thing about the lottery dissuading a team from perpetual blowing ass....

Edmonton should be the poster child on why the NHL's current lottery system does not work. Awarding the top picks to the worse teams is done in the spirit of parity and competition. However, this has not happened in the last 5 years. Edmonton continues to be a bottom feeder. The wild card is that Edomonton has also been the epitome of a dysfunctional front office. And that should be punished.

 

The leads me to my Award and Punishment model. First, you can only win the lottery once in a 5 year period. The NHL should still have its dog and pony lottery show, but a public spectacle should be made of those who have previous won the lotto and continue to suck. Within a 5 year period, if you win it twice, you actually go DOWN a spot. Win it 3 times, YOU go down 2 spots, etc.

 

I think this will place a greater pressure on owners and front office folks to field a winning product. Purposely tanking will be a thing of the past due to the punishment part and lottery-winning teams will feel an added pressure to improve. In the end, fans will benefit.

Edited April 5, 2016 by kas23

[MattPie]

Edmonton should be the poster child on why the NHL's current lottery system does not work. Awarding the top picks to the worse teams is done in the spirit of parity and competition. However, this has not happened in the last 5 years. Edmonton continues to be a bottom feeder. The wild card is that Edomonton has also been the epitome of a dysfunctional front office. And that should be punished.

 

The leads me to my Award and Punishment model. First, you can only win the lottery once in a 5 year period. The NHL should still have its dog and pony lottery show, but a public spectacle should be made of those who have previous won the lotto and continue to suck. Within a 5 year period, if you win it twice, you actually go DOWN a spot. Win it 3 times, YOU go down 2 spots, etc.

 

I think this will place a greater pressure on owners and front office folks to field a winning product. Purposely tanking will be a thing of the past due to the punishment part and lottery-winning teams will feel an added pressure to improve. In the end, fans will benefit.

And LA, Chicago, Pittsburgh, even Boston are examples of where it does work.

[WildCard]

Good read on our improvement in the 2nd half and of better things to come

http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=877612

http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=877677

Edited April 8, 2016 by WildCard

[JohnRobertEichel]

After tonight, Sabres are the 8th worst team and can still finish anywhere between 7-12.

 

Tankers and anti-tankers alike can (probably) all agree to root for the Senators, Canadiens, Devils, Avalanche, and Coyotes on Saturday.

 

However, as a proud anti-tanker (for this season only...I was pro-McEichel last year), I will go on record as saying I want the good guys to win these last two. Mr. Murray has more than enough picks this year and next where he can move up a few spots to secure someone good like one of those 3 top LHD's.

[Taro T]

After tonight, Sabres are the 8th worst team and can still finish anywhere between 7-12.

 

Tankers and anti-tankers alike can (probably) all agree to root for the Senators, Canadiens, Devils, Avalanche, and Coyotes on Saturday.

 

However, as a proud anti-tanker (for this season only...I was pro-McEichel last year), I will go on record as saying I want the good guys to win these last two. Mr. Murray has more than enough picks this year and next where he can move up a few spots to secure someone good like one of those 3 top LHD's.

True. But if Buffalo wins out, Moe-ray-all's outcome & that of the Desert Dogs are immaterial. They only matter if Buffalo looks past the BJ's or can't trip up the Isles.

[Derrico]

I'll take a win and an OT loss please.  That'll give us a nice 82 point season but still guarantee us not worse then 9th pre-lottery.

[Claude_Verret]

They've exceeded my expectations. Not sure how anyone could have realistically expected much more than the 80-ish points they will end up with.

[Eleven]

They've exceeded my expectations. Not sure how anyone could have realistically expected much more than the 80-ish points they will end up with.

 

I think I said that they shouldn't be bottom 5, and it looks like they won't be, so I will consider my expectations met, but not exceeded.

[That Aud Smell]

They've exceeded my expectations. Not sure how anyone could have realistically expected much more than the 80-ish points they will end up with.

 

Prior to the season's start, I'd thought 80 points would count as a successful season. It's also what I'd expected (or at least hoped for).

[Wyldnwoody44]

The fact that they aren't battling the caps for the Presidents trophy, is unsettling, nauseating and just downright unacceptable.

 

We need to fire GMTM, DD, Rip Somonick, Tim Macre, get new hockey hotline guys, and put the stadium on the niagara river on an island that only the bourgeoisie of the chet and muffy can go.

 

Trade eichel and reinhardt for a late first and (3) 2nd's, they're busts anyways, we should build a bully, maybe consult with Rex Ryan and the Bruins organization to achieve this.

 

Lastly, public stoning for Rick J, his voice over the last 40 years may be the #1 reason why we haven't won squat,hes also scared away prime free agent talent (Ala Richards).

 

Signed,

Your friendly overreacting buffalo fan

Edited April 8, 2016 by Wyldnwoody44

[Claude_Verret]

I think I said that they shouldn't be bottom 5, and it looks like they won't be, so I will consider my expectations met, but not exceeded.

I'm basing it on my expectation that they'd be solidly bottom 10 and the bet I made with Assquatch. Given that I can still lose that bet with two games remaining I won't call them a solid bottom 10 regardless of where they finish.

[pi2000]

In 2013-14, 79 points would've placed Buffalo in 27th, picking 4th.   25th in 2014-15, picking 6th.    

 

In 15-16', 79 points has them in 23rd, picking 8th.    There are more bad teams this year than years past.   

 

So how exactly is the lottery preventing teams from tanking?

[Claude_Verret]

In 2013-14, 79 points would've placed Buffalo in 27th, picking 4th. 25th in 2014-15, picking 6th.

 

In 15-16', 79 points has them in 23rd, picking 8th. There are more bad teams this year than years past.

 

So how exactly is the lottery preventing teams from tanking?

I think the new system discourages full season real honest tanks like we did last year. However, it also probably encourages more teams to purposely try to the bed post trade deadline to get a better shot at those top 3 picks that are up for grabs.

[JohnRobertEichel]

True. But if Buffalo wins out, Moe-ray-all's outcome & that of the Desert Dogs are immaterial. They only matter if Buffalo looks past the BJ's or can't trip up the Isles.

 

Well now it looks like they matter lol....Sabres will finish anywhere between 7th-9th, depending on tonight's game as well as the Montreal and Arizona games.

[Taro T]

Well now it looks like they matter lol....Sabres will finish anywhere between 7th-9th, depending on tonight's game as well as the Montreal and Arizona games.

Well, they looked past the BJ's. :doh:

 

Now there are only 9 slots they might draft in (barring trades) 1-3 or 7-12 and by the end of the night we'll know if 7 or 12 (along w/ 8 or 11) are also out. Isles will know if they'll need 1, 2, or 3 points this weekend against 2 of the 3 play-in triplets by the time puck drops. Isles will be going hard; hopefully the Sabres spoil their plans.

 

If Moe-ray-all wins (vs injury depleted Bolts) & Dogs lose in regulation (to no seeding to play for, merely pride SJ Snarks) then the Sabres game has no seeding implications at all. So definitely root for a Habs win tonight. TM says there's about 11 elite guys this year. A Hab win guarantees at least 1 of them is available when Buffalo picks.

[bob_sauve28]

Well, they looked past the BJ's. :doh:

Now there are only 9 slots they might draft in (barring trades) 1-3 or 7-12 and by the end of the night we'll know if 7 or 12 (along w/ 8 or 11) are also out. Isles will know if they'll need 1, 2, or 3 points this weekend against 2 of the 3 play-in triplets by the time puck drops. Isles will be going hard; hopefully the Sabres spoil their plans.

If Moe-ray-all wins (vs injury depleted Bolts) & Dogs lose in regulation (to no seeding to play for, merely pride SJ Snarks) then the Sabres game has no seeding implications at all. So definitely root for a Habs win tonight. TM says there's about 11 elite guys this year. A Hab win guarantees at least 1 of them is available when Buffalo picks.

thanks for this!

[bob_sauve28]

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=199660

 

Interested?

Edited April 9, 2016 by bob_sauve28

[Taro T]

Sabres at 8 heading into the lottery. Could end up 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 10, or 11.

[Randall Flagg]

Sabres at 8 heading into the lottery. Could end up 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, 10, or 11.

Does the yotes game matter?

[Robviously]

Does the yotes game matter?

Nope.  We're three points up on them right now.

[TrueBlueGED]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle  57m57 minutes ago

This will be the Leafs third top five pick in five years and fourth in the top eight.

 

Rielly-Nylander-Marner-???

 

As much fun as a rivalry with the Leafs is going to be, a non-trivial part of me is sad that they're now run by competent management and will cease being a yearly dumpster fire.

[Taro T]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle  57m57 minutes ago

 

This will be the Leafs third top five pick in five years and fourth in the top eight.

 

Rielly-Nylander-Marner-???

 

As much fun as a rivalry with the Leafs is going to be, a non-trivial part of me is sad that they're now run by competent management and will cease being a yearly dumpster fire.

 

They are. But until we see that their ownership doesn't meddle & screw up AGAIN, we should have faith/hope.