TrueBlueGED Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 On rookie scoring, it's also worth noting that Draisaitl scored 11 goals in his first 10 games (causing some angst around these parts) and proceeded to score 3 in his next 25 games. Maybe I should start a "fun with small samples" post for these kinds of factoids. Quote
Thorner Posted January 21, 2016 Report Posted January 21, 2016 With a point yesterday, Eichel moved into a tie for 3rd in rookie scoring with Larkin. One more point puts him in second, as he'd have the tiebreaker over Domi due to having more goals. No rookie is getting more points as of late than Eichel, save Panarin. Quote
North Buffalo Posted January 21, 2016 Report Posted January 21, 2016 If it were decided right now I would have to change my vote to Erchel. Quote
Thorner Posted January 21, 2016 Report Posted January 21, 2016 If it were decided right now I would have to change my vote to Erchel. Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 21, 2016 Report Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Panarin played 4 full years of KHL hockey before coming to the NHL. I understand how a NHL rookie is determined but honestly he hasn't impressed from a rookie standpoint. 24 with 4 years of pro experience, playing on a top line in the NHL. His scoring is impressive but I think McDavid and Eichel and Larkin are having more impressive seasons given their age and experience. I hope the Calder doesn't go to Panarin just because he has the most posts. Hell if we sent Eichel to the KHL for 2-4 years I bet he would come back and light things up too. Edited January 21, 2016 by LGR4GM Quote
Taro T Posted January 21, 2016 Report Posted January 21, 2016 Panarin played 4 full years of KHL hockey before coming to the NHL. I understand how a NHL rookie is determined but honestly he hasn't impressed from a rookie standpoint. 24 with 4 years of pro experience, playing on a top line in the NHL. His scoring is impressive but I think McDavid and Eichel and Larkin are having more impressive seasons given their age and experience. I hope the Calder doesn't go to Panarin just because he has the most posts. Hell if we sent Eichel to the KHL for 2-4 years I bet he would come back and light things up too. Much as I'd like to see Eichel (or any Sabre, really) get it, & much as I'd say Larkin is very deserving - at this point, w/in the definitions & parameters the league has established for the award; it'd be tough to give it to anyone but Panarin @ this point. Still have 2+ months for that to change, but if everything is proportionally constant to what it is now; the league would be making stuff up as they go along if he doesn't get it. That they do it so often (see Scott, John for the latest example) doesn't make it right. Looks like they've got Peter Statsny redux in the works. Quote
WildCard Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Can we all take a moment and realize just how absurdly terrible the wingers Eichel has had are this season? He's not spending time with Datsyuk, or Zetterberg, or Patrick Kane and Anisimov. No, Jack gets Kane as his leading linemate, and then nobody else has even spent a 1/3 of Jack's ice time with him. To put it more plainly, Kane has 264/679 Jack's ice time, and the next closest are Gionta at 196/679 and Reinhart at 149/679. So, there is absolutely no consistency there, whatsoever. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1292&withagainst=true&season=2014-16&sit=5v5 The problem though, all of those guys have significantly better possession stats apart from Jack. Unlike Jack, Samson's teammates falter in possession when he's not one the ice, even ROR. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1982&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5 All of these stats are 5-5 even strength Edited January 22, 2016 by WildCard Quote
Samson's Flow Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Can we all take a moment and realize just how absurdly terrible the wingers Eichel has had are this season? He's not spending time with Datsyuk, or Zetterberg, or Patrick Kane and Anisimov. No, Jack gets Kane as his leading linemate, and then nobody else has even spent a 1/3 of Jack's ice time with him. To put it more plainly, Kane has 264/679 Jack's ice time, and the next closest are Gionta at 196/679 and Reinhart at 149/679. So, there is absolutely no consistency there, whatsoever. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1292&withagainst=true&season=2014-16&sit=5v5 The problem though, all of those guys have significantly better possession stats apart from Jack. Unlike Jack, Samson's teammates falter in possession when he's not one the ice, even ROR. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1982&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5 All of these stats are 5-5 even strength Tonight Jack's linemates are Cal O'Reilly and Jaime McGinn. That should make your point in a lot less words. Quote
inkman Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Tonight Jack's linemates are Cal O'Reilly and Jaime McGinn. That should make your point in a lot less words. Ooof Quote
WildCard Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Posted January 22, 2016 His possession stats look a lot better when you compare them relative to his Quality of Competition and Quality of Teammates, he's the best forward on the team in the latter category (no, Varrone does not count) http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=29&s=29&f1=2015_s&f2=5v5&f5=BUF&c=0+3+4+6+7+8+29+30+31+13+14+15+16+11+12+34+32+33+35+36+17+18+19+20+21+22+25+26+27+28+10+37+38+39+40+47+48+49+50+51+52+53+54+55+56+63+67+57+58+59+60+61+62+64+65+66+41+42+43+44+45+46# Tonight Jack's linemates are Cal O'Reilly and Jaime McGinn. That should make your point in a lot less words. Numbers are fun though This could be solved with Loui Eriksson Quote
Samson's Flow Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 If only someone around here would beat the drum to acquire Eriksson... :nana: Quote
3putt Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 His possession stats look a lot better when you compare them relative to his Quality of Competition and Quality of Teammates, he's the best forward on the team in the latter category (no, Varrone does not count) http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=29&s=29&f1=2015_s&f2=5v5&f5=BUF&c=0+3+4+6+7+8+29+30+31+13+14+15+16+11+12+34+32+33+35+36+17+18+19+20+21+22+25+26+27+28+10+37+38+39+40+47+48+49+50+51+52+53+54+55+56+63+67+57+58+59+60+61+62+64+65+66+41+42+43+44+45+46# Numbers are fun though This could be solved with Loui Eriksson Boedker Quote
qwksndmonster Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Tonight Jack's linemates are Cal O'Reilly and Jaime McGinn. That should make your point in a lot less words. I want to blame Bylsma for putting too much on Eichel too early, but now it's really not his fault. Quote
TrueBlueGED Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 I want to blame Bylsma for putting too much on Eichel too early, but now it's really not his fault. You can do the former while also acknowledging the latter :) Quote
WildCard Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Posted January 22, 2016 BoedkerBoedker is a scoring forward, not a possession one. Although I would love to add him Quote
qwksndmonster Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 You can do the former while also acknowledging the latter :) I meant that I want to keep blaming him. Quote
Randall Flagg Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 What all this tells me is that Jack is still our second-highest-scoring forward despite having bad possession stats, so that we should be very excited for when he figures out how to play an effective 200 foot game. Quote
dudacek Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) I think we already have the answer to Jack's possession issues.His name is Hudson Fasching.Not right away, but soon. The kid can skate and is such a beast down low. Edited January 23, 2016 by dudacek Quote
3putt Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Boedker is a scoring forward, not a possession one. Although I would love to add him I think you add a finisher and there is less pressure to try and do it yourself and turn it over. I think having someone to set up would increase possession numbers, and scoring. Eichel fasching and Boedker would be scary. When Fasching is ready. Quote
Hoss Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 I think we already have the answer to Jack's possession issues. His name is Hudson Fasching. Not right away, but soon. The kid can skate is suck a beast down low. Love this kid. Very excited to see him either at the end of this season or beginning of next. I think Boedker and Eriksson would be great additions. Hope we pursue both and get at least one. Quote
Taro T Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Love this kid. Very excited to see him either at the end of this season or beginning of next. I think Boedker and Eriksson would be great additions. Hope we pursue both and get at least one. Realizing it burns a year of an ELC, still want to see Fasching in B&G this season after the Gophers are golfing. Really interested to see how he does playing against a higher competition level. Would also like to see them go strongly for Boedker. Not as impressed w/ Eriksson & didn't realize he'll be 31 next season. Seems a bit longer in the tooth than what TM is looking to build w/. Quote
LGR4GM Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 His possession stats look a lot better when you compare them relative to his Quality of Competition and Quality of Teammates, he's the best forward on the team in the latter category (no, Varrone does not count) http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=29&s=29&f1=2015_s&f2=5v5&f5=BUF&c=0+3+4+6+7+8+29+30+31+13+14+15+16+11+12+34+32+33+35+36+17+18+19+20+21+22+25+26+27+28+10+37+38+39+40+47+48+49+50+51+52+53+54+55+56+63+67+57+58+59+60+61+62+64+65+66+41+42+43+44+45+46# Numbers are fun though This could be solved with Loui Eriksson In another year Reinhart will be the smartest person on the ice night in and night out. I think his corsi is an excellent reflection of what he sees and does on the ice that doesn't always translate to his scoresheet. Quote
Thorner Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Can we all take a moment and realize just how absurdly terrible the wingers Eichel has had are this season? He's not spending time with Datsyuk, or Zetterberg, or Patrick Kane and Anisimov. No, Jack gets Kane as his leading linemate, and then nobody else has even spent a 1/3 of Jack's ice time with him. To put it more plainly, Kane has 264/679 Jack's ice time, and the next closest are Gionta at 196/679 and Reinhart at 149/679. So, there is absolutely no consistency there, whatsoever. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1292&withagainst=true&season=2014-16&sit=5v5 The problem though, all of those guys have significantly better possession stats apart from Jack. Unlike Jack, Samson's teammates falter in possession when he's not one the ice, even ROR. http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1982&withagainst=true&season=2015-16&sit=5v5 All of these stats are 5-5 even strength Good stuff. I think that, considering linemates, Eichel's season is in some ways the most impressive of the rookies thus far. Quote
qwksndmonster Posted January 24, 2016 Report Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) Good stuff. I think that, considering linemates, Eichel's season is in some ways the most impressive of the rookies thus far. I've been especially impressed by the firm constitution of his clavicle. Edited January 24, 2016 by qwksndmonster Quote
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