off topic The politics of terrorism

[Neo]

I'll butcher this one ...

 

Amid reports of linkage to Syria / ISIS, the French Council of the Muslim Faith condemns the "odious attacks".

 

Grateful for, and respectful of, that ... in all sincerity ... I am sensitive to the challenges of leading people with extremist wings.

Edited November 14, 2015 by N'eo

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It's about time a Muslim group condemns ISIS.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

Really sucks when thugs claiming to follow the same religion you do #### their understanding of it up this badly. (Based on initial reports it was "Islamic" terrorists.)

 

NS - please realize that was in no way a shot at you nor your religion. It was purely aimed at the jackals that are no better and no more than Hells Angels w/ turbins instead of Harleys.

 

I understand what you are saying Taro.

 

There are about 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide.  We are bound to have a few nutbars in the lot.  The problem is these crazies are willing to die, but even more warped is the fact that they are very willing to kill in the most hideous ways, in the most perverted interpretation of Islam.

 

Now imagine what I face, from some, even some of my closest friends, as a Canadian convert to Islam.

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Look what it takes for the talking heads to finally admit that those Syrian so-called refugees and their security risk needs to reevaluated.

[Hoss]

It's about time a Muslim group condemns ISIS.

It's been happening at every step of the way. Muslim groups have almost universally voiced their displeasure with the attacks. There is a discussion to be had about whether enough is being done from their end, but condemnation has never been an issue.

 

I started this thread with the intention of providing information about Paris and the attacks.

Honest and fair request (NOT a demand): can we keep the politics out of this thread? This is about the attacks themselves. I don't see a need to push an agenda here.

Edited November 14, 2015 by Hoss

[wjag]

"there will be a remorseless response"

 

They sure are beating the ISIS drum on CNN...  I still think Al Qaeda

Edited November 14, 2015 by wjag

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Now imagine what I face, from some, even some of my closest friends, as a Canadian convert to Islam.

One of my wife's best friends is a Canadian Muslim. Whenever the religions comes up, we can compare and kid like rational adults. So, I'm not sure what you face. Unless it's something akin to facing the Christian and Catholic bashing that has been institutionalized in popular culture for decades now.

It's been happening at every step of the way. Muslim groups have almost universally voiced their displeasure with the attacks. There is a discussion to be had about whether enough is being done from their end, but condemnation has never been an issue.

 

I started this thread with the intention of providing information about Paris and the attacks.

Honest and fair request (NOT a demand): can we keep the politics out of this thread? This is about the attacks themselves. I don't see a need to push an agenda here.

A message board is for discussion. We all have access to the world's media without this thread.

[josie]

118 reported dead in the Bataclan concert hall.

 

40 in other locations. Not counting wounded. 

[Neo]

118 reported dead in the Bataclan concert hall.

 

40 in other locations. Not counting wounded.

 

I picture you sitting behind an easel, sizing up the Seine...

[Hoss]

BGrueskin

@BGrueskin

Bataclan survivor tells @CNN the attackers were speaking French.

 

Agence France-Presse @AFP

#BREAKING One of Paris attackers mentioned French military action in Syria: witness

 

 

We should start getting more witness accounts now.

[WildCard]

Is it still ongoing?

[Hoss]

Varying reports as to whether there are still any gunmen/attackers on the loose.

[bunomatic]

Heartbreaking. 

[darksabre]

Enlightenment under direct and repeated attack. The symbolism is hard to ignore.

[bunomatic]

Apparently Jihadi John was killed by a drone earlier today or last night. Could these attacks be retaliation or are coordinated attacks too complicated to carry out at such short notice ?

Edited November 14, 2015 by bunomatic

[bunomatic]

Every time something like this happens a mass extinction event sounds like a better and better idea.

Agreed. Humans are psychotic.

[Hoss]

Apparently Jihadi John was killed by a drone earlier today or last night. Could these attacks be retaliation or are coordinated attacks too complicated to carry out at such short notice ?

Highly unlikely. The thought is that this was an intricate attack that would've taken a long time to prepare for.

[WildCard]

Highly unlikely. The thought is that this was an intricate attack that would've taken a long time to prepare for.

Agreed

[WildCard]

Unless you're talking about sleeper cells who have already planned and trained for their mission but who are just waiting for a call

They did it at a soccer event, what are the odds that guy dies the same day that stadium holds a major match?

[WildCard]

Well, it also assumes that these terrorists were planning for the inevitable death of their leader

[dudacek]

The saddest thing here is that someone somewhere thinks this is a step toward a better world.

[nfreeman]

This is an inherently political thread. It's about an act of mass murder carried out by bloodthirsty Muslim lunatics to achieve political ends.

 

SFiNS, it gives me no pleasure to say it, but the pathologies besetting world Islam run far deeper than "a few nutbars."

 

As I've said many times, there is a war going on. Europe is literally being overrun. It has stuck its head in the sand for a generation and is paying the price now -- and it's going to get much worse there before it gets better, if it ever does. And I hope no one here thinks we are immune. They are going to try to attack here too, and they aren't going to stop until they are stopped by force.

[WildCard]

This is an inherently political thread. It's about an act of mass murder carried out by bloodthirsty Muslim lunatics to achieve political ends.

 

SFiNS, it gives me no pleasure to say it, but the pathologies besetting world Islam run far deeper than "a few nutbars."

 

As I've said many times, there is a war going on. Europe is literally being overrun. It has stuck its head in the sand for a generation and is paying the price now -- and it's going to get much worse there before it gets better, if it ever does. And I hope no one here thinks we are immune. They are going to try to attack here too, and they aren't going to stop until they are stopped by force.

Can you kill a cause/idea though? You can keep wiping them out all you want, a new organization will just take their place unless you provide stability and domestic leaders to those countries

[Thwomp!]

What a horrifying situation.  May we all stand with and offer our heartfelt sympathies to the French during this tragedy.

 

This is an inherently political thread. It's about an act of mass murder carried out by bloodthirsty Muslim lunatics to achieve political ends.

SFiNS, it gives me no pleasure to say it, but the pathologies besetting world Islam run far deeper than "a few nutbars."

As I've said many times, there is a war going on. Europe is literally being overrun. It has stuck its head in the sand for a generation and is paying the price now -- and it's going to get much worse there before it gets better, if it ever does. And I hope no one here thinks we are immune. They are going to try to attack here too, and they aren't going to stop until they are stopped by force.

 

How's that whole "force" thing been working for U.S. and the world so far?  I agree with Wildcard above and I think that recent history has shown that force is not the answer to this problem.

[nfreeman]

How's that whole "force" thing been working for U.S. and the world so far? I agree with Wildcard above and I think that recent history has shown that force is not the answer to this problem.

Are you joking?