LGR4GM Posted April 14, 2016 Author Report Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) Someone has to teach me how to embed stuff like this. Also, Therrien is now safe. right click on gif, copy image location, use the image embed link (looks like a tree) icon on SabreSpace post the image location url then post. Edited April 14, 2016 by LGR4GM
Eleven Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) That's amazing Eleven :lol: Wish I could take credit--all I did was find it somewhere. right click on gif, copy image location, use the image embed link (looks like a tree) icon on SabreSpace post the image location url then post. I learned! Edited April 14, 2016 by Eleven
pi2000 Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) Per McKenzie Kadri's AAV is $4.5M and Rielly's is $5M. Both 6 year deals. Risto will be higher Don't forget GMTM did not draft Ristolainen. I wouldn't be surprised if his deal takes longer to work out than we expect. Nor would I be suprised if Risto is dealt or he lets him walk if he gets an offersheet. GMTM seems to like North American skaters (12 of 14 draft picks, and at least 12 players he's acquired via FA/trade), is he willing to invest a large chunk of cap space in a Finn who he didn't draft? I like Risto's game, but he lacks speed, he loses puck races... can he get faster? Who knows, but I don't value him as high as everybody else here seems too, what does GMTM think of him? Edited April 14, 2016 by pi2000
Randall Flagg Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 If GMTM lets Risto walk, I will eat every last piece of hockey equipment I own.
pi2000 Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) If GMTM lets Risto walk, I will eat every last piece of hockey equipment I own. Let's say an eligible team like CGY, CAR, VAN, WPG, or CLS give him a $7.5m/yr offer sheet. What do you do, knowing you have only 2 more years left before Eichel, Reinhart, and Kane need new deals, and you already have > $9m tied up between Gorges and Bogosian for the next +2 years. You basically have about $20m to divide between Kane, Eichel, Reinhart, and Ristolainen. GMTM stated they need a PP QB, so obviously he's not as enamored with Ristolainen as everybody else is. Would he match the $7.5m? Or take the 2 firsts, a second and a third? Edited April 14, 2016 by pi2000
apuszczalowski Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 Don't worry, Bergeron and Krecji are another year older. Their demise has begun. They could have helped their situation but that draft where they drafted 3 in a row didn't help them.but to balance that draft out, an undrafted rookie of theirs just won AHL rookie of the year.......
JJFIVEOH Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 Don't forget GMTM did not draft Ristolainen. I wouldn't be surprised if his deal takes longer to work out than we expect. Nor would I be suprised if Risto is dealt or he lets him walk if he gets an offersheet. GMTM seems to like North American skaters (12 of 14 draft picks, and at least 12 players he's acquired via FA/trade), is he willing to invest a large chunk of cap space in a Finn who he didn't draft? I like Risto's game, but he lacks speed, he loses puck races... can he get faster? Who knows, but I don't value him as high as everybody else here seems too, what does GMTM think of him? Or it could be that that's about the percentage of Finnish players in the league. :D
thewookie1 Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 Let's say an eligible team like CGY, CAR, VAN, WPG, or CLS give him a $7.5m/yr offer sheet. What do you do, knowing you have only 2 more years left before Eichel, Reinhart, and Kane need new deals, and you already have > $9m tied up between Gorges and Bogosian for the next +2 years. You basically have about $20m to divide between Kane, Eichel, Reinhart, and Ristolainen. GMTM stated they need a PP QB, so obviously he's not as enamored with Ristolainen as everybody else is. Would he match the $7.5m? Or take the 2 firsts, a second and a third? He signs him, end of story. He's our best Dman by far, not to mention what do I gain with 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. You get a Dman 3/4 years from now & maybe another 5/6 years from now. And in the mean time we become Edmonton due to a serious lack of defense. Even if you shop the acquired picks, you have no guarantee you'll get a player of equal or better skill. Not to mention you'll lose most of your leverage since you'd suddenly be rather desperate for a Top 2 guy. You bite the bullet and you lock him up long term, you don't have a choice. Then when the day comes said other team has a top end RFA you return the favor. Don't forget GMTM did not draft Ristolainen. I wouldn't be surprised if his deal takes longer to work out than we expect. Nor would I be suprised if Risto is dealt or he lets him walk if he gets an offersheet. GMTM seems to like North American skaters (12 of 14 draft picks, and at least 12 players he's acquired via FA/trade), is he willing to invest a large chunk of cap space in a Finn who he didn't draft? I like Risto's game, but he lacks speed, he loses puck races... can he get faster? Who knows, but I don't value him as high as everybody else here seems too, what does GMTM think of him? Not all 6 of your Dmen must be super quick, Risto isn't fast per-say but he isn't Franson. Risto is a net front presence, has an edge to him, and many other intangibles. You pair him with that PP QB because they would mesh well by covering up each others weaknesses.
ubkev Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 but to balance that draft out, an undrafted rookie of theirs just won AHL rookie of the year....... So did Tyler Ennis, Nathan Gerbe and Luke Adam......
dudacek Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Don't forget GMTM did not draft Ristolainen. I wouldn't be surprised if his deal takes longer to work out than we expect. Nor would I be suprised if Risto is dealt or he lets him walk if he gets an offersheet. GMTM seems to like North American skaters (12 of 14 draft picks, and at least 12 players he's acquired via FA/trade), is he willing to invest a large chunk of cap space in a Finn who he didn't draft? I like Risto's game, but he lacks speed, he loses puck races... can he get faster? Who knows, but I don't value him as high as everybody else here seems too, what does GMTM think of him? I have never seen anyone put so much emphasis on a single skill as you do with skating. If Kane, Risto, Samson and Jack have to share $20 million, and our last good player, ROR, gets 7.5 who is getting the other $50 million? Colaiacovo and Konopka? GMTM is a racist because of the past two drafts? Wonder what Erik Karlsson, Mika Zibinajed and Robin Lehner think. Any idea where he plans to get his all-situations defenceman if he lets Risto walk? I do think Risto's contract could be a tough one because he's basically got the Sabres over a barrel given his value to the team. Edited April 15, 2016 by dudacek
WildCard Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 Let's say an eligible team like CGY, CAR, VAN, WPG, or CLS give him a $7.5m/yr offer sheet. What do you do, knowing you have only 2 more years left before Eichel, Reinhart, and Kane need new deals, and you already have > $9m tied up between Gorges and Bogosian for the next +2 years. You basically have about $20m to divide between Kane, Eichel, Reinhart, and Ristolainen. GMTM stated they need a PP QB, so obviously he's not as enamored with Ristolainen as everybody else is. Would he match the $7.5m? Or take the 2 firsts, a second and a third? I match that
Rasmus_ Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 Per McKenzie Kadri's AAV is $4.5M and Rielly's is $5M. Both 6 year deals. Risto will be higher Kadri's extension is a laugh. Enjoy that being sour after season two of the extension. The guy is as overrated as they come.
LGR4GM Posted April 15, 2016 Author Report Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Let's say an eligible team like CGY, CAR, VAN, WPG, or CLS give him a $7.5m/yr offer sheet. What do you do, knowing you have only 2 more years left before Eichel, Reinhart, and Kane need new deals, and you already have > $9m tied up between Gorges and Bogosian for the next +2 years. You basically have about $20m to divide between Kane, Eichel, Reinhart, and Ristolainen. GMTM stated they need a PP QB, so obviously he's not as enamored with Ristolainen as everybody else is. Would he match the $7.5m? Or take the 2 firsts, a second and a third? Let's start with the bolded. First, Eichel, Reinhart and Kane. They have deals that take them to the end of Gorges deal and Franson's deal. Those three won't have their new contracts kick in until after both Gorges (3.9mil) and Franson (3.325mil) are gone. So in this scenario we have just eliminated 2 defenders and freed up 7.225mil. So far so good. Next we need to add in the cap saving you get from Brian Gionta, who even if retained will not be getting 4.25mil anymore. That brings our total up to 11.475mil. We currently have 10.09mil in cap space. That brings our total up to 21.565mil. Now the cap this year is 71.4mil or 2.1mil from the previous year. Let us assume this trend continues forward (I personally think with Canada having a new PM that the Canadian dollar will rebound and help that a bit but let us low ball it) So you have 2 seasons or 4.2mil in cap growth. That brings our total up to 25.765mil. Now at this point some of you will say "HEY LIGER! What about all the other players we have to sign???" To that I would say they will fall outside this calculation because they will already be re-signed and will fall into the pool of money not represented here right now, our current cap point of 61mil. That number takes into account the 7.069mil already being used by Kane/Eichel/Samson and if you add in Risto's current deal that gets you to 8mil. So to recap: We already spend 61million on our roster so we are just talking about the additional money to spend on players. This is important because we are already accounting for the money we will need to spend to fill out the team. Now we know of that 61mil, 8million is tied up in the 4 players we are discussing. Risto/Eichel/Kane/Reinhart. according to my math we should have 25.765million in cap space if we simply maintain our roster at current levels to sign those 4 players. I would argue that you can raise that number to 33.765million because we are already using 8million in cap space for those 4 players. So that gives us 8.4mil per player when all is said in done at the start of the 2018/2019 season (a season I did not add an additional cap growth number for). Kane won't get 8.4 unless I have completely miss judged him. Eichel probably will. Reinhart will be close. Ristolainen will get around 6 if I have guessed correctly. So what do I do if a team tosses a 7.5million dollar offer sheet at Ristolainen, I match it without hesitation because I can easily afford it now and into the future. Edited April 15, 2016 by LGR4GM
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 The Internet will be the death of me. Could pi be the long prophesied return of the snow people? :P
LGR4GM Posted April 15, 2016 Author Report Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Could pi be the long prophesied return of the snow people? :P Edited April 15, 2016 by LGR4GM
Rasmus_ Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 I easily see Franson being moved out once he's healthy. Someone will need the spot for a 1st or 2nd PP QB. Nelson looked solid in his time up.
pi2000 Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 Let's start with the bolded. First, Eichel, Reinhart and Kane. They have deals that take them to the end of Gorges deal and Franson's deal. Those three won't have their new contracts kick in until after both Gorges (3.9mil) and Franson (3.325mil) are gone. So in this scenario we have just eliminated 2 defenders and freed up 7.225mil. So far so good. Next we need to add in the cap saving you get from Brian Gionta, who even if retained will not be getting 4.25mil anymore. That brings our total up to 11.475mil. We currently have 10.09mil in cap space. That brings our total up to 21.565mil. Now the cap this year is 71.4mil or 2.1mil from the previous year. Let us assume this trend continues forward (I personally think with Canada having a new PM that the Canadian dollar will rebound and help that a bit but let us low ball it) So you have 2 seasons or 4.2mil in cap growth. That brings our total up to 25.765mil. Now at this point some of you will say "HEY LIGER! What about all the other players we have to sign???" To that I would say they will fall outside this calculation because they will already be re-signed and will fall into the pool of money not represented here right now, our current cap point of 61mil. That number takes into account the 7.069mil already being used by Kane/Eichel/Samson and if you add in Risto's current deal that gets you to 8mil. So to recap: We already spend 61million on our roster so we are just talking about the additional money to spend on players. This is important because we are already accounting for the money we will need to spend to fill out the team. Now we know of that 61mil, 8million is tied up in the 4 players we are discussing. Risto/Eichel/Kane/Reinhart. according to my math we should have 25.765million in cap space if we simply maintain our roster at current levels to sign those 4 players. I would argue that you can raise that number to 33.765million because we are already using 8million in cap space for those 4 players. So that gives us 8.4mil per player when all is said in done at the start of the 2018/2019 season (a season I did not add an additional cap growth number for). Kane won't get 8.4 unless I have completely miss judged him. Eichel probably will. Reinhart will be close. Ristolainen will get around 6 if I have guessed correctly. So what do I do if a team tosses a 7.5million dollar offer sheet at Ristolainen, I match it without hesitation because I can easily afford it now and into the future. Fantastic. Thanks for doing the math. I'm still not convinced GMTM will throw that kind of money at somebody who is not one of his own. In the end of season interview he seemed very non-committal about the Risto situation, basically saying that he hasn't reached out to his agent yet, and his agent hasn't reached out to him. It would seem there should be some sense of urgency considering he would like to play in the World Championships (he won't play without a contract due to injury risk).
LGR4GM Posted April 15, 2016 Author Report Posted April 15, 2016 Fantastic. Thanks for doing the math. I'm still not convinced GMTM will throw that kind of money at somebody who is not one of his own. In the end of season interview he seemed very non-committal about the Risto situation, basically saying that he hasn't reached out to his agent yet, and his agent hasn't reached out to him. It would seem there should be some sense of urgency considering he would like to play in the World Championships (he won't play without a contract due to injury risk). I think that 7.5 would be overpaying Ristolainen but if a team did that, I protect my asset. I would assume that Murray will worry about that contract this summer. We see RFA's all the time not get signed before season ends or they officially become RFA's. Just takes some time.
That Aud Smell Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 I think that 7.5 would be overpaying Ristolainen but if a team did that, I protect my asset. I would assume that Murray will worry about that contract this summer. We see RFA's all the time not get signed before season ends or they officially become RFA's. Just takes some time. As others have remarked upthread: GM TM's timing on Risto could be a factor of GM TM not knowing exactly what he's doing with the UFA market.
Randall Flagg Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 Fantastic. Thanks for doing the math. I'm still not convinced GMTM will throw that kind of money at somebody who is not one of his own. In the end of season interview he seemed very non-committal about the Risto situation, basically saying that he hasn't reached out to his agent yet, and his agent hasn't reached out to him. It would seem there should be some sense of urgency considering he would like to play in the World Championships (he won't play without a contract due to injury risk). GMTM doesn't give a if a guy was here or not when he got here, when he evaluates the player's talent. He gave Ennis a new contract, Ennis wasn't his own. He's about to do the same for several RFAs this summer. He's going to say, hey, it's impossible to get a young player with #1 D potential, so I'm not going to get rid of the one I have.
MattPie Posted April 15, 2016 Report Posted April 15, 2016 GMTM doesn't give a ###### if a guy was here or not when he got here, when he evaluates the player's talent. He gave Ennis a new contract, Ennis wasn't his own. He's about to do the same for several RFAs this summer. He's going to say, hey, it's ###### impossible to get a young player with #1 D potential, so I'm not going to get rid of the one I have. Good info on Ennis. Further, Ennis is probably the least "TM" player on the roster (based on the Ducks stereotype; big forwards).
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