... Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) ...what? d4rksabre, on 23 Feb 2016 - 4:13 PM, said:d4rksabre, on 23 Feb 2016 - 4:13 PM, said:You seem to be arguing that because something bad didn't happen it nullifies the risks you took. Maybe you took the necessary precautions to make sure your kid wasn't going to get a beer dumped on them, or suffer irreversible hearing damage. Maybe your situational awareness is rock solid.But this conversation started because some careless schlub took their baby into a hockey practice and wasn't diligent enough to protect it. From the NY POST:"As defenseman P.K. Subban tossed pucks into the crowd during an open practice Sunday at the Bell Centre, one of the souvenirs accidentally hit a 1-month-old infant after an older fan lost his grip on the prize. Taken to Montreal Children’s Hospital and diagnosed with a concussion, the Habs’ youngest (and toughest) admirer is set to make a full recovery." Assuming you want kids, let us know when the baby shower is, so a group of us parents on the board can send you guys a big roll of bubble wrap and a straw. Edited February 24, 2016 by SiZzlEmeIsTEr
Thorner Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 Kindl fired. Nice! You're either Ben Afflek or you just got wayyy too into slapping qwk Shhhh. You had me at 'hello' You white, you Ben Affleck. --------------- How terribly bad are the Edmonton Freakin' Oilers?? 5 losses in a row. 8 losses in 9. Dead last. 4 first overall pick in 6 years. Add to that Draisaitl and Eberle. That team is just....unacceptable. An embarrassment.
Huckleberry Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 1. Last year, Patrick Kane missed the final 21 games of the regular season, returning for Game 1 of the playoffs. No one’s doubting his injury, but it was a marvelous manipulation of the salary cap for post-season purposes. There is no limit after Game 82. Chicago could play Kane, newly acquired Antoine Vermette and everyone else without hassle — although opponents weren’t thrilled with the loophole. Now, we’re going to see who copies it in 2016. Number one on the list is Los Angeles, which won’t have Marian Gaborik for awhile. The Kings were already looking at defencemen, but the winger’s injury adds the possibility of a forward, too. No surprise if they do it, because, as an opposing exec says, “When Dean (Lombardi) has the opening, he goes for it.” (No one quoted in the blog is an anonymous source.) The Rangers would be another, if Rick Nash needs more time. from friedman, didn't even know that happened :D
That Aud Smell Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 How terribly bad are the Edmonton Freakin' Oilers?? 5 losses in a row. 8 losses in 9. Dead last. 4 first overall pick in 6 years. Add to that Draisaitl and Eberle. That team is just....unacceptable. An embarrassment. It doesn't help that they're in the West, but yeah ... fairly unbelievable. Can you imagine if they win the 1st overall pick?
darksabre Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 ...what? From the NY POST: "As defenseman P.K. Subban tossed pucks into the crowd during an open practice Sunday at the Bell Centre, one of the souvenirs accidentally hit a 1-month-old infant after an older fan lost his grip on the prize. Taken to Montreal Children’s Hospital and diagnosed with a concussion, the Habs’ youngest (and toughest) admirer is set to make a full recovery." Assuming you want kids, let us know when the baby shower is, so a group of us parents on the board can send you guys a big roll of bubble wrap and a straw. Quite frankly, you ought to wrap yourself in bubble wrap. That is the way of the world now. Free range children are being paired with an environmental softening to create a world that caters to everyone's precious kids. Perhaps there's something generational here. I grew up in the 1990's. I experienced the rise of the Helicopter Parent, the ESRB, and the wars the parents of my generation waged on pretty much anything except themselves in order to protect their special little snowflakes. Protect little Johnny at the expense of everyone else. Little Johnny might get his feelings hurt playing tee-ball so now everyone gets participation trophies. Little Johnny might hear a bad word on the radio so lets put the chains on the airwaves. Little Johnny might see a woman breastfeeding in public so lets shame breastfeeding mothers for it. Little Johnny might not get into college because he's not very smart so lets dumb down the education system so everyone can graduate. Little Johnny might get picked on in gym class so lets ban Dodgeball. Little Johnny might think smoking is cool so let's ban candy cigarettes! I would like to believe that there are parents out there accepting responsibility for their kids. But I grew up in a world that tells me this isn't the case. The rest of us get stuck taking it on the chin instead.
darksabre Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 Who are you arguing with? No one really. Just concepts, as Aud has already pointed out.
SwampD Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 No one really. Just concepts, as Aud has already pointed out. I'm just wondering why that concept arose from this situation. Your first paragraph isn't what happened here. It wasn't a free range child and a soft environment. It was actually a quite hard environment coming in contact with a soft head.
That Aud Smell Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 Free range children are being paired with .... I experienced the rise of the Helicopter Parent, A lot of what you're griping about is legitimate. And very real. And problematic. But it doesn't really square with or relate to an objection to having small children at hockey games. Also, just a nit: Helicopter Parents don't, won't, can't raise "free range children." You may've had something else in mind there. We might actually do well for a little more free range approach. My parents' friends used to joke that they founded their parenting on the concept of "benign neglect." There's something to that. No one really. Just concepts, as Aud has already pointed out. It's Smell, motherfunkster!
ubkev Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 He's rolling, let 'em go. I actually agree with everything he said in paragraph 2. That said, I'm still going to do whatever the hell I want with my kid, whenever the hell I want. If we want to go see a movie at midnight, well then I guess we're going(X-men Apocalypse, for sure). He's gonna come scream with me at sporting events (thank the Carrier Dome for teaching him proper fan etiquette when he was 5). This is the experience I've had with my friends who are dads as well. We don't expect people to cater to our little snowflakes needs when they are out in public. We are teaching them how to behave when they grow up.
darksabre Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 A lot of what you're griping about is legitimate. And very real. And problematic. But it doesn't really square with or relate to an objection to having small children at hockey games. Also, just a nit: Helicopter Parents don't, won't, can't raise "free range children." You may've had something else in mind there. We might actually do well for a little more free range approach. My parents' friends used to joke that they founded their parenting on the concept of "benign neglect." There's something to that. It's Smell, motherfunkster! I'm arguing that free range isn't really free range. It's a facade. It's not free range if you alter the range. That's just a projection of helicopter parenting onto the general public instead of the kid. What I view as free range, and what your parents friends joke about, are the same thing. I have no issue with letting kids bumble and bounce. That's what my parents did for me. Did they feel bad if I got hurt doing something they allowed me to do? Of course. But they didn't go on a rampage to change the thing that hurt me. He's rolling, let 'em go. I actually agree with everything he said in paragraph 2. That said, I'm still going to do whatever the hell I want with my kid, whenever the hell I want. If we want to go see a movie at midnight, well then I guess we're going(X-men Apocalypse, for sure). He's gonna come scream with me at sporting events (thank the Carrier Dome for teaching him proper fan etiquette when he was 5). This is the experience I've had with my friends who are dads as well. We don't expect people to cater to our little snowflakes needs when they are out in public. We are teaching them how to behave when they grow up. I think you should do whatever you want with your kid. You seem comfortable understanding that the world isn't there to cater to you. You wont need a "feel-bad" piece written about your kid if a puck hits him in the head because you knew it could happen and "that's life".
ubkev Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 I'm arguing that free range isn't really free range. It's a facade. It's not free range if you alter the range. That's just a projection of helicopter parenting onto the general public instead of the kid. What I view as free range, and what your parents friends joke about, are the same thing. I have no issue with letting kids bumble and bounce. That's what my parents did for me. Did they feel bad if I got hurt doing something they allowed me to do? Of course. But they didn't go on a rampage to change the thing that hurt me. I think you should do whatever you want with your kid. You seem comfortable understanding that the world isn't there to cater to you. You wont need a "feel-bad" piece written about your kid if a puck hits him in the head because you knew it could happen and "that's life". My go to quote is "get up, you're fine."
That Aud Smell Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 I'm arguing that free range isn't really free range. It's a facade. It's not free range if you alter the range. That's just a projection of helicopter parenting onto the general public instead of the kid. The whosaidwhatnow? I feel a bit like I've stepped Through the Looking Glass. I need the falcon to hear the falconer: Free range means what it means. Like chickens being allowed to roam in an expansive coop. Cattle grazing on real pastures. Helicopter parents aren't pretending that their kids are being free-ranged. But I do now see your point, I think. You're saying that the Helicopter Parenting principles are being allowed to seep into areas of public domain, and the same obsessiveness over a child's welfare is being pushed onto bystanders. Interesting. And, seriously? Fook that.
darksabre Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 I'm just wondering why that concept arose from this situation. Your first paragraph isn't what happened here. It wasn't a free range child and a soft environment. It was actually a quite hard environment coming in contact with a soft head. It's probably annoyance that this whole thing was even a news story. "Kid gets hit with puck at hockey rink. Here's your sign."
That Aud Smell Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 We need another term for this phenomenon: Managed Range? This is like a distortion of the worthy concept of "it takes a village ...."
darksabre Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 The whosaidwhatnow? I feel a bit like I've stepped Through the Looking Glass. I need the falcon to hear the falconer: Free range means what it means. Like chickens being allowed to roam in an expansive coop. Cattle grazing on real pastures. Helicopter parents aren't pretending that their kids are being free-ranged. But I do now see your point, I think. You're saying that the Helicopter Parenting principles are being allowed to seep into areas of public domain, and the same obsessiveness over a child's welfare is being pushed onto bystanders. Interesting. And, seriously? Fook that. This is exactly what I'm saying. I'm glad we got here together. We need another term for this phenomenon: Managed Range? This is like a distortion of the worthy concept of "it takes a village ...." Perfect.
josie Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 ...what? From the NY POST: "As defenseman P.K. Subban tossed pucks into the crowd during an open practice Sunday at the Bell Centre, one of the souvenirs accidentally hit a 1-month-old infant after an older fan lost his grip on the prize. Taken to Montreal Children’s Hospital and diagnosed with a concussion, the Habs’ youngest (and toughest) admirer is set to make a full recovery." Assuming you want kids, let us know when the baby shower is, so a group of us parents on the board can send you guys a big roll of bubble wrap and a straw. Hey now, if you wanna do that, feel free, I think baby's first reaction to bubble wrap would be friggin' hilarious. Gotta change its diapers constantly anyhow... Sh!t happens, pretty sure I wouldn't take a kid that young out, but glad it's ok. I know nothing about babies, other than the fact that they're handed to you after hours of pain and they go "yup, here's this soft squishy human thing, go home and try not to let it die somehow!" If d4rk and I ever procreate, I'm sure it'll have a pretty thick skull anyways :P The only helicopter parenting I plan to do is building helicopter models with said spawn.
That Aud Smell Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 This is exactly what I'm saying. I'm glad we got here together. Glad as well. Interesting take, really. I had not paused to consider the seepage (ew) of Helicopter Parenting. I know nothing about babies, other than the fact that they're handed to you after hours of pain and they go "yup, here's this soft squishy human thing, go home and try not to let it die somehow!" We talked about that all the time when we brought our first-born home. The idea that there's no vetting involved was such a mind-blowing realization -- most parents just leave a hospital with a baby and have that same overwhelming feeling: DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU'RE DOING?! WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO CARE FOR THIS PERSON! THIS IS MADNESS!
darksabre Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 Glad as well. Interesting take, really. I had not paused to consider the seepage (ew) of Helicopter Parenting. Maybe I'm attuned to it because I grew up with the fall out from it? I don't know. I just remember all the outrageous things parents of my generation decided to attack when I was a kid. Columbine happened and all of a sudden violent video games were the bogeyman. And cuss words in music on the radio. And pretty much any other thing that parents decided was some kind of threat to their children. Don't let those goth kids wear baggy pants to school! Blech. Hey now, if you wanna do that, feel free, I think baby's first reaction to bubble wrap would be friggin' hilarious. Gotta change its diapers constantly anyhow... Sh!t happens, pretty sure I wouldn't take a kid that young out, but glad it's ok. I know nothing about babies, other than the fact that they're handed to you after hours of pain and they go "yup, here's this soft squishy human thing, go home and try not to let it die somehow!" If d4rk and I ever procreate, I'm sure it'll have a pretty thick skull anyways :P The only helicopter parenting I plan to do is building helicopter models with said spawn. :wub:
ubkev Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 Maybe I'm attuned to it because I grew up with the fall out from it? I don't know. I just remember all the outrageous things parents of my generation decided to attack when I was a kid. Columbine happened and all of a sudden violent video games were the bogeyman. And cuss words in music on the radio. And pretty much any other thing that parents decided was some kind of threat to their children. Don't let those goth kids wear baggy pants to school! Blech. :wub: The radio used to allow swear words? I do not recall this.
darksabre Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 The radio used to allow swear words? I do not recall this. :o
ubkev Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) :o https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words Last I checked 1972 was a long time before you, or I were thought of. :p Edited February 24, 2016 by ubkev
inkman Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 Sh!t happens, pretty sure I wouldn't take a kid that young out, but glad it's ok. I know nothing about babies, other than the fact that they're handed to you after hours of pain and they go "yup, here's this soft squishy human thing, go home and try not to let it die somehow!" Truer words were never spoken. My God is it challenging. It's like they are tiny little Kamikazes running face first into everything. Don't get me started on eating, every meal I'm white knuckling the table hoping this tiny human doesn't choke. (Not really but it started that way) Cody usually end ups with some type of cranium abrasian weekly.
darksabre Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words Last I checked 1972 was a long time before you, or I were thought of. :P If those words were censored it was loosely. I remember Green Day's Longview only having the F word censored. Now they even censor the word , because apparently that's just toooooo much. Sit around and watch the tube, but nothing's on I change the channels for an hour or two Twiddle my thumbs just for a bit I'm sick of all the same old In a house with unlocked doors And I'm lazy Bite my lip and close my eyes Take me away to paradise I'm so damn bored I'm going blind And I smell like Peel me off this Velcro seat and get me moving I sure as hell can't do it by myself I'm feeling like a dog in heat Barred indoors from the summer street I locked the door to my own cell And I lost the key Bite my lip and close my eyes Take me away to paradise I'm so damn bored I'm going blind And I smell like I got no motivation Where is my motivation? No time for the motivation Smoking my inspiration Sit around and watch the phone, but no one's calling Call me pathetic, call me what you will My mother says to get a job But she don't like the one she's got When 's lost its fun You're lonely Bite my lip and close my eyes Take me away to paradise I'm so damn bored I'm going blind And loneliness has to suffice Bite my lip and close my eyes I was slipping away to paradise Some say, "Quit or I'll go blind." But it's just a myth Oh, that's just rich.
ubkev Posted February 24, 2016 Report Posted February 24, 2016 If those words were censored it was loosely. I remember Green Day's Longview only having the F word censored. Now they even censor the word ######, because apparently that's just toooooo much. Oh, that's just rich. Dookie came out when I was in 3rd grade and Basket Case and When I Come Around were the only songs that got radio play in my town. Everyone at my lunch table loved Longview because there were swear words, but it was never played on our radio.
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