darksabre Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Life for Billy Coutu in the 20s... Raffi Torres has 41 games. Chris Simon had 30 games. A few with 25 and 23. Raffi Torres again with 21 games. Then Wideman. Bertuzzi took 20 games for the Moore incident. Lysiak took 20 for tripping a linesman in 1983, for comparison. Life for, oddly enough, attacking two refs at the end of a game.
Iron Crotch Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 I'm too lazy to look it up, but the rule book says "minimum of 20 games" if the attack is ruled deliberate. I was watching the game live that night and there is little doubt the attack was deliberate. He got the minimum probably because he has no prior history and has been in the league for a while.
josie Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Life for, oddly enough, attacking two refs at the end of a game. He was also infamous for generally beating the sh!t out of people, including somehow nearly ripping Eddie Shore's ear off. Reputation helps. Good ol' oldtime hockey... Little better than the early 1900s with on-ice deaths and murder charges.
MattPie Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 I'm too lazy to look it up, but the rule book says "minimum of 20 games" if the attack is ruled deliberate. I was watching the game live that night and there is little doubt the attack was deliberate. He got the minimum probably because he has no prior history and has been in the league for a while. And plays for a Canadian team.
Iron Crotch Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 And plays for a Canadian team. If it was an Original-6 team (Toronto, Montreal) he would have only gotten 10 games. :P
MattPie Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 If it was an Original-6 team (Toronto, Montreal) he would have only gotten 10 games. :P WRONG! Original 6 Canadian team, 10 games. Original 6 American team, 12.
Taro T Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) I'm too lazy to look it up, but the rule book says "minimum of 20 games" if the attack is ruled deliberate. I was watching the game live that night and there is little doubt the attack was deliberate. He got the minimum probably because he has no prior history and has been in the league for a while.IMHO, he got the minimum because they factored in his past history AND the likelihood that he was concussed at the time. Sucks for him (especially if he was concussed), & I'd've probably given him 40, but it's most likely the right call. & can't see how the ref's union wouldn't have gone ape #### if he got anything less. Edited February 3, 2016 by Taro T
That Aud Smell Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 That suspension doesn't make any sense to me. If you're punishing Wideman for intentionally hitting the ref, you suspend him for the rest of the season. 20 games says that they didn't have the justification to give him the whole season, which means they really didn't have any reason to suspend him at all. Agree. Seems like the NHL split the difference here, without acknowledging that the guy was concussed. IMHO, he got the minimum because they factored in his past history AND the likelihood that he was concussed at the time. The fact that all of this is happening without addressing that issue is bizarre.
Taro T Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Agree. Seems like the NHL split the difference here, without acknowledging that the guy was concussed. The fact that all of this is happening without addressing that issue is bizarre. How would you suggest they address it? The player & the team have essentially said (implicitly at minimum through their actions / lack of) that he doesn't have a concussion. How does the league, at this point, overrule them? For the future, they could have a 3rd party make the determination that concussion protocols must begin, but pretty sure they don't have that in pkace at present. (If that IS currently in place, then like Emily used to say "nevermind.")
WildCard Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Wideman loses $564k from the suspension
Eleven Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Not enough if you ask me. The minimum should have been the rest of the season with no definitive date of reinstatement next season. GO SABRES!!! I think there's a rule that says it's 20. Also: New Leaves logo is hideous. At least the current one has nice clean lines.
Weave Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 It was pretty widely reported that the hearing for Wideman was populated by reps from the league, PA, and the officials union as well. My bet is that the suspension was negotiated. Not likely to see another suspension ruling quite like it.
Eleven Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 According to what I heard on GR during a break, they found a deliberate attempt to injure. 20 is the minimum. Here's the rule: 40.2 Automatic Suspension – Category I – Any player who deliberately strikes an official and causes injury or who deliberately applies physical force in any manner against an official with intent to injure, or who in any manner attempts to injure an official shall be automatically suspended for not less than twenty (20) games. (For the purpose of the rule, “intent to injure” shall mean any physical force which a player knew or should have known could reasonably be expected to cause injury.)
That Aud Smell Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 But the fact that they gave him the minimum seems to acknowledge that he wasn't all there. Don't let no one acknowledge he was concussed! So dumb.
Eleven Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 But the fact that they gave him the minimum seems to acknowledge that he wasn't all there. Don't let no one acknowledge he was concussed! So dumb. I don't think that necessarily follows. He's got a good reputation and that may have mitigated things a bit. Also, weave, I believe he is appealing, meaning this wasn't negotiated.
Trettioåtta Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 According to what I heard on GR during a break, they found a deliberate attempt to injure. 20 is the minimum. Here's the rule: 40.2 Automatic Suspension – Category I – Any player who deliberately strikes an official and causes injury or who deliberately applies physical force in any manner against an official with intent to injure, or who in any manner attempts to injure an official shall be automatically suspended for not less than twenty (20) games. (For the purpose of the rule, “intent to injure” shall mean any physical force which a player knew or should have known could reasonably be expected to cause injury.) They could have given him 10 games under Cat 2. They ruled it was intent to injure rather than just being physical with the ref
K-9 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 I think there's a rule that says it's 20. Also: New Leaves logo is hideous. At least the current one has nice clean lines. Consider my post my recommendation for a new minimum, then. Deliberately crosscheck a referee and you are gone for the rest of the season. Voila! No negotiations necessary. GO SABRES!!!
That Aud Smell Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 Cripes - as though having #97 isn't enough. Now the Oilers got some First Nations mojo working for them. https://www.facebook.com/100009648337697/videos/243250179339925/ (Sorry it can't embed.)
Huckleberry Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 They could have given him 10 games under Cat 2. They ruled it was intent to injure rather than just being physical with the ref What makes me think its a bit intentional is the fact he really followed through with the hit.
3putt Posted February 3, 2016 Report Posted February 3, 2016 It was pretty widely reported that the hearing for Wideman was populated by reps from the league, PA, and the officials union as well. My bet is that the suspension was negotiated. Not likely to see another suspension ruling quite like it. What was PA doing there? Nothing stirring here on SS?
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 What was PA doing there? Nothing stirring here on SS? :w00t: Has anyone seen PA lately? I think this joker (not PA, the other joker that plays for the Flames) should have been banned for life.
Weave Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Former Sabres Grant Ledyard and Mike Robitaille join the players lawsuit against the league for concussions. Ledyard talks of daily headaches, mood swings, depression, and drinks every night to get to sleep. Watching the Montreal feed for the game tonight. They had an interesting conversation about the Wideman suspension. Apparently the league spotter that informs teams of players that may have a head hit told the Calgary bench that Wideman needed to be evaluated. Wideman declined to go to the room. Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 39m39 minutes ago Other key part of video: NHL says it's a fact Wideman suffered a concussion on hit just before. But that it doesn't excuse hitting linesman Edited February 4, 2016 by We've
Taro T Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Former Sabres Grant Ledyard and Mike Robitaille join the players lawsuit against the league for concussions. Ledyard talks of daily headaches, mood swings, depression, and drinks every night to get to sleep. Watching the Montreal feed for the game tonight. They had an interesting conversation about the Wideman suspension. Apparently the league spotter that informs teams of players that may have a head hit told the Calgary bench that Wideman needed to be evaluated. Wideman declined to go to the room. How can that happen?
SDS Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 Consider my post my recommendation for a new minimum, then. Deliberately crosscheck a referee and you are gone for the rest of the season. Voila! No negotiations necessary. GO SABRES!!! Open season in games 81 and 82? :)
Randall Flagg Posted February 4, 2016 Report Posted February 4, 2016 I complained about this already, but NHL.com is just impossible to use.
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